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Medical Women's Federation - TWAW

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weasle · 07/01/2022 11:01

The medical women's federation have tweeted their support that TWAW.

twitter.com/medicalwomenuk/status/1479390017063723010?s=21

The original tweet has a very depressing thread of doctors, DOCTORS, asserting that a woman is anyone who says they are and that deniers of this are against biology!

I feel so let down by my medical colleagues that so many have no grasp of biology and science! I despair.

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Linguini · 07/01/2022 18:44

Oh I'm all mixed up!

It's Dave Curtis who's closed his account not the women's medical association.
Unfortunately, they're still active.

TurquoiseBaubles · 07/01/2022 18:47

Poor Dave Curtis, whoever he is Sad. All he said was that doctors know that women are women and transwomen are not.

I'd say there was probably a real life pile on as well as the totally bizarre twitter stuff.

Threewheeler1 · 07/01/2022 18:54

Oh my days.
Do they think that's all the evidence needed?
The rabbit hole is actually bottomless.

ErrolTheDragon · 07/01/2022 19:01

@TurquoiseBaubles

Poor Dave Curtis, whoever he is Sad. All he said was that doctors know that women are women and transwomen are not.

I'd say there was probably a real life pile on as well as the totally bizarre twitter stuff.

He'd got over a thousand likes when I looked earlier today though.
Scraggythang · 07/01/2022 19:02

If you google Dr. Dave Curtis and it’s the same guy he specifically studies/studied Genetics, Evolution & Environment

Div of Bioscience

So, if it’s the same guy, no wonder he knows sex matters.

TurquoiseBaubles · 07/01/2022 21:04

Loads of likes, but an awful lot of implications about his career Sad. I wonder did he know what he was letting himself in for.

2Rebecca · 07/01/2022 21:08

I'm a doc and I'm not surprised. Anything with women in the name has been infiltrated and the MWF has always been quite lefty and keen on "inclusivity" but they also give award for men who are good feminist allies which is a bit cringy.. Interestingly it says in their manifesto that women should be able to see women doctors if they wish...

RVN123 · 07/01/2022 22:35

I'll paraphrase a Ben Shapiro video I was watching the other day.

"If you show me a doctor who says that men can be become women, I'll tell you that the person is not a doctor but an activist".

PermanentTemporary · 07/01/2022 22:42

Oh bollocks, one of the men giving Dave Curtis a kicking is the husband of someone I know. My acquaintance's husband comes across as a really unpleasant piece of work, one of the doctors I could do without, though I don't doubt his clinical skill.

TurquoiseBaubles · 08/01/2022 00:46

It's awful when you see it in real life isn't it Sad? I know a perfectly normal reasonable pleasant nice man who went apeshit when a friend (very mildly) said "I don't think you have thought it through".

He is a well educated man, accustomed to being able to argue his point and I think he suddenly felt backed into a corner and had to revert to aggression because there was no alternative.

Twitter is like that. Perfectly normal people suddenly lose their shit, often because they know they are being proved wrong.

PermanentTemporary · 08/01/2022 00:49

I'm scared. An FB acquaintance of impeccable fluffiness recently posted general support for Kathleen Stock (she's also an academic) and got so so much intense pushback in quite harsh terms. I never use FB for anything political, I don't have the guts.

TurquoiseBaubles · 08/01/2022 00:54

Added to which it's really dangerous.

There's a transwoman in those threads who is insisting that since hormone treatment has caused breasts to grow, it's important to watch out for breast cancer. However, since the hormones also cause the prostate to shrink ConfusedHmm there is now no worry about prostate issues.

That can't be right, surely?

PermanentTemporary · 08/01/2022 01:03

I don't know. Everyone can potentially get breast cancer, so that's right, though I don't think the incidence is high enough to make population screening like mammography effective. If there is less prostate cancer among transwomen, I'd like to see evidence that it's not due to transwomen dying younger, as prostate cancer iirc is a disease of old age. However, I know that female hormones have some role in prostate cancer treatment so maybe they're right. I'd be amazed if there was much evidence.

TurquoiseBaubles · 08/01/2022 01:08

I agree, he can get breast cancer. But not because his breasts are growing, just because everyone can. He still needs prostate checks, as all men do.

I too am scared. I got a bollocking from my brother for suggesting I'd like to keep youth hostel dorms women only. He actually yelled at me, something he never does. I just vowed never to talk to him about it again; my mild, friendly, supportive, gay brother thinks I'm a bigot Sad

PermanentTemporary · 08/01/2022 01:14

I guess as long as we shut up they're satisfied. It's true I don't want anyone to suffer. I just can't accept that actual lies like 'assigned at birth' are public policy and I never will. I don't think 'passing' and 'living stealth' should be a thing in the era of Pride - it's as if gay men were being encouraged to marry women and praised for 'acting straight'. Its a hangover from the 50s/60s heteronormative obsession, with a dash of 70s misogynist sexual 'liberation' added in. I don't see how people can't understand that.

TurquoiseBaubles · 08/01/2022 01:26

See, that's my issue with Pride.

I thought Pride was a demonstration that being gay wasn't weird, or different, or out there, or in-your-face-sexy, iyswim. I thought pride was about "we are gay, but being gay is perfectly normal".

I find it quite upsetting that nowadays being gay seems to have reverted to being "outside the norm" when ten years ago being gay or bi was a perfectly normal sexuality, not a lifestyle.

Maybe I'm just old Sad

PermanentTemporary · 08/01/2022 01:33

Yeah that's the argument isn't it, we're just old. But I look at my friend C who's transitioned to live as a man, and as an old person all I can see is an undiagnosed autistic girl who has no interest in anything 'girly' and who was bullied by girls at school. He's undoubtedly happier - great. Not a man though and I believe one day there will be another change - I hope to nonbinary and I hope before he has surgery.

TurquoiseBaubles · 08/01/2022 01:41

I'm involved in a teenage youth group. I know three girls aged 16 who have gone to Eastern European countries for double mastectomies. Because of this I know I'm right.

Cosmetic surgery on 16 year olds to stop them committing suicide can't ever be ok. I'm almost 60, and about 1 in 5 of my year in school had anorexia (or bulimia after Princess Di); none of my youth group have eating disorders, it's all gender issues.

Enough4me · 09/01/2022 00:23

I hope that the girls having mastectomy operations are the future voices that stop this continuing in the future. Sadly, it's not possible to show them now how different it feels to be an adult when you not only tolerate your differences but appreciate them.

Like Keira Bell, I hope future detransitioners support children not to rush to irreversible damage. Without this, the issue will keep happening.

HereticFanjo · 09/01/2022 01:06

I'm looking at that thread in complete astonishment. If you click on the blue link at the top you will find Dave Curtis is gone but a serious number of alleged medical doctors saying transwomen are women. These are allegedly doctors. WTAF is going on? Have they all taken crazy pills?

PermanentTemporary · 09/01/2022 02:22

They're just doctors. Not superheroes. Highly collaborative, dependent on being thought well of by team members to survive the huge responsibility they carry, dependent on favours and networking. Tbh that's how a lot of jobs are.

HereticFanjo · 09/01/2022 09:16

@PermanentTemporary

They're just doctors. Not superheroes. Highly collaborative, dependent on being thought well of by team members to survive the huge responsibility they carry, dependent on favours and networking. Tbh that's how a lot of jobs are.
Yes that's an interesting point. Even so, it's the sheer unscientific nonsense of it and the desperate desire to virtue signal and stay in the gang. I can understand the desire to be kind but I do wonder are many of them American doctors following the $$$.
quiteathome · 09/01/2022 09:28

Medicine is supposed to be evidence based, unless it is for this.

Enough4me · 09/01/2022 12:57

Students, including healthcare students, are now viewed as paying customers. Their views are highlighted to VCs and actions are proposed above staff feedback. University brand image requires following the customers' needs above staff and wider society perspectives.

Students bring it into Universities from schools, where they are a group that must be 'in', being 'in' is following essentially the mob rule: 'people are who they say they are'.

They do not think through the ramifications as many do not perceive them, so they either believe sex is fluid or join the silent majority.

Areas like BLM and LGB are directly linked with T on equality and diversity pages. So to challenge the T ideology risks challenging minority groups.

These students are now in the NHS and it's safer to be quiet or actively 'in'. Remember Twitter etc. says transphobes are witches to be burnt.

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