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Jon Stewart sticking the knife in to JKR over "Jewish" goblins

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WandaWomblesaurus73 · 05/01/2022 10:58

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10368289/Jon-Stewart-accuses-JK-Rowling-anti-Semitism-Harry-Potter.html

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KittenKong · 07/01/2022 10:46

I’ve just remembered - when I was pregnant I worked for an Irish organisation. Most colleagues worse Irish. DS (bump) was called ‘Paddy Irish’ by my colleagues ‘how’s wee paddy Irish today?’.

Eek!

AryaStarkWolf · 07/01/2022 11:05

@Tanith

" I just assumed she was supposed to be Irish because she kept her own Irish accent in the films"

Didn't Rhys Ifans also adopt an Irish accent to match hers, although he's actually Welsh?

I actually can't even remember now, going to have to youtube some clips!
AryaStarkWolf · 07/01/2022 11:06

@KittenKong

I’ve just remembered - when I was pregnant I worked for an Irish organisation. Most colleagues worse Irish. DS (bump) was called ‘Paddy Irish’ by my colleagues ‘how’s wee paddy Irish today?’.

Eek!

By your Irish colleagues?!
KittenKong · 07/01/2022 11:11

Yes! It became a running joke (started by my team) that he would be called Paddy. It was on an affectionate way - even my Big Boss used to ask how Paddy was.

AryaStarkWolf · 07/01/2022 11:16

@KittenKong

Yes! It became a running joke (started by my team) that he would be called Paddy. It was on an affectionate way - even my Big Boss used to ask how Paddy was.
Even though you're telling me it was Irish colleagues I can never read "Paddy Irish" in anything other than a cockney accent Grin
KittenKong · 07/01/2022 11:20

Oh it was proper Irish accents (apart from the canteen staff who were all Portuguese - and used to make me special lunches because I was pregnant and I ‘needed special food apparently).

Alonelonelyloner · 07/01/2022 13:45

I've not read the full thread yet, but this has been clarified...

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/unpublishing-the-jon-stewart-thing

BuntyAurBabli · 07/01/2022 13:55

@Tanith

" I just assumed she was supposed to be Irish because she kept her own Irish accent in the films"

Didn't Rhys Ifans also adopt an Irish accent to match hers, although he's actually Welsh?

It was never discussed in the books but I wouldn't go by the films. All we know is that the girl who played Luna was Irish. I can't think of any child actor who has changed their accent for a film.
AryaStarkWolf · 07/01/2022 14:21

I can't think of any child actor who has changed their accent for a film.

Evanna Lynch was 14/15 when she started in HP according to google though. Saoirse Ronan was 13 in Atonement and she did an English accent for that

AryaStarkWolf · 07/01/2022 14:27

@Tanith

" I just assumed she was supposed to be Irish because she kept her own Irish accent in the films"

Didn't Rhys Ifans also adopt an Irish accent to match hers, although he's actually Welsh?

Just checked and yes he also has an Irish accent in it even though in reality he has a strong Welsh accent
Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 07/01/2022 15:13

@AryaStarkWolf

I can't think of any child actor who has changed their accent for a film.

Evanna Lynch was 14/15 when she started in HP according to google though. Saoirse Ronan was 13 in Atonement and she did an English accent for that

There is almost nothing Saoirse Ronan can't do, judging by limited knowledge of her work. I think she's amazing.
AryaStarkWolf · 07/01/2022 15:35

There is almost nothing Saoirse Ronan can't do, judging by limited knowledge of her work. I think she's amazing.

She is amazing, so talented and seems like a lovely, down to earth person in real life as well

SantaClawsServiette · 07/01/2022 18:27

@AryaStarkWolf

I can't think of any child actor who has changed their accent for a film.

Evanna Lynch was 14/15 when she started in HP according to google though. Saoirse Ronan was 13 in Atonement and she did an English accent for that

The girl who played 11 in Stranger Things? Though the first season she didn't have much to say!

But it is much more unusual to ask child actors to do it and I've never seen it with an under 10 with any amount to say.

BuntyAurBabli · 07/01/2022 18:33

Okay I got it wrong re: child actors. There are obviously some who change their accents. 😊

Viviennemary · 07/01/2022 18:38

She is her own worst enemy. Always got to stick her oar because shes rich and such a vip. Her opinion is worth no more than anyone else's. I find her a totally irritating pain in the neck know-all. Books are great though.

yourhairiswinterfire · 07/01/2022 18:43

Her own worst enemy for having opinions and experiences? Are rich people, particularly women, not allowed opinions then? Not allowed to care about women less fortunate than themselves?

Her opinion is worth no more than anyone else's

I don't think I've ever seen her state otherwise?

nauticant · 07/01/2022 18:52

She is her own worst enemy.

Would that be worse than these enemies?

medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d

AryaStarkWolf · 07/01/2022 19:54

@Viviennemary

She is her own worst enemy. Always got to stick her oar because shes rich and such a vip. Her opinion is worth no more than anyone else's. I find her a totally irritating pain in the neck know-all. Books are great though.
Sticking her oar in implies she had no skin in the game, as a woman she most certainly does.
RepentMotherfucker · 07/01/2022 23:00

@Viviennemary

She is her own worst enemy. Always got to stick her oar because shes rich and such a vip. Her opinion is worth no more than anyone else's. I find her a totally irritating pain in the neck know-all. Books are great though.
That's so ironic because every time I have seen you and your unpopular, jaw droppingly out of touch opinions elsewhere around this site recently I have thought exactly this Grin

Minus the bit about being rich and a VIP and writing great books obv.

TInkyWlnky · 07/01/2022 23:34

RepentMotherfucker Grin

TurquoiseBaubles · 08/01/2022 01:10

I want a like button

Sophoclesthefox · 08/01/2022 07:29

Spot on, repent Grin

ScreamingMeMe · 08/01/2022 09:34

@Viviennemary

She is her own worst enemy. Always got to stick her oar because shes rich and such a vip. Her opinion is worth no more than anyone else's. I find her a totally irritating pain in the neck know-all. Books are great though.
Are you implying that she somehow deserves to have lies told about her like this, then? Presumably you don't think she's an antisemite if you think the books are great?
Packingsoapandwater · 08/01/2022 09:53

@TurquoiseBaubles

Sometimes when I come across weird threads on twitter I don't know which is more worrying. The though that these people might be just making up what they write (and others are believing them) or the thought that they actually believe it themselves.

It's a real insight into the human brain, twitter. And I don't think I like it very much.

I think, in some cases, people are trying it on.

I came across a pseudo-academic comment on twitter about how goblins were a medieval anti-Semitic trope.

I specialise in narrative theory and allegory, and I've never come across this idea at all. In fact, it goes against what we know about how folklore and mythology forms, which tends to be a processing of collective historical memories of superceded cultures and peoples into the realm of the supernatural: female pagan herbalists and midwives become witches, Roman civilisation becomes the world of fairy, trolls and giants are the memories of neolithic European indigenous peoples with some sort of ancestral head worship practice etc.

So I look at comments about medievalism, and really wonder where this stuff is coming from. Someone even claimed they did a PhD in medieval anti-Semitic folkloric creatures and I really scratched my head at that one because I couldn't actually think of one instance outside maybe the concept of the Wandering Jew - - largely because there's just not really that much literary material in English to reference prior to the 15th century.

To find folkloric tropes about Jewish people, you'd probably be better looking at the Eastern Mediterranean region because you've got the appropriate length of settlement and displacement in that area.

And even then, the only references I could think of relating to a people living in cave systems in Anatolia were the Christian Armenians.

None of this tracks from a historical point of view. To some extent, it's like trying to argue that kelpies are an anti-Hindu trope because someone made a film where kelpie characters refused to eat beef.

NitroNine · 08/01/2022 10:48

Lots of people on Twitter do the online equivalent of Talking Rubbish Very Authoritatively. And it’s rubbish that sounds - if you don’t know anything about the topic - as if it might be true; they often claim to have studied whatever it is (almost always they have a doctorate); & they will shout down not only disagreement but any questions or requests for more information that fall outside the story they have prepared to tell.

Antisemitic goblins has a weird time-bending quality to it: lots of posting pictures of Nazi propaganda to “prove” that depictions of goblins are antisemitic. No engagement with Goblins Came First. Also a complete ignorance of actual Medieval antisemitism, such as the expulsion of the Jews from England; the trend for accusing Jews of poisoning water supplies; & forcing Jewish people to wear pointed hats to distinguish them from the Christian population.

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