To not understand the issue with surrogacy?

[Blackbird1234]

I've seen a few posts on some threads in this topic, from people condemning surrogacy. I don't understand why it is seen as bad, if all parties consent. Can anyone explain, please?

I’d wait until tomorrow until you say that starcup, you might notice deletions appearing on tonight’s posts.

And yes, there have been strikes handed out for biscuit posting on this board in the past. Note, I said strikes. You need three strikes and then you are suspended and may be banned.

I am telling you this so you understand that Lang Cleg was not an ‘extremist’. Some people are. They are usually posting with the intention to attack women posting here with vile accusations and slurs.

But most feminists are posted for other things.

@KimikosNightmare

Ok, so you’re okay with knowing children live in absolute shit circumstances, but that’s ok because the parents birthed them….. because that makes sense

What Starcup says IdontWann said

What ldontWanna actually said (bolded for clarity)

*@Starcupdon't quite get how you ended up making that argument, but in my opinion(personal and where I work) SS don't actually remove enough children regardless if they're living in squalor, fairly ok or middle class I also don't judge a parent's suitability based on their income or job. I know and understand why it doesn't happen as often as it should(which doesn't make it right) but that's yet another discussion for another thread

You don’t even agree with IVF at al so you’re views are utterly extreme……

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Otters and beavers are all I could find at 2.19 am. Sorry… no emojis of my fave monotreme. ( Well, actually I am also an Echidna lover. But hey ho! )

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@KimikosNightmare

Ok, so you’re okay with knowing children live in absolute shit circumstances, but that’s ok because the parents birthed them….. because that makes sense

What Starcup says IdontWann said

What ldontWanna actually said (bolded for clarity)

*@Starcupdon't quite get how you ended up making that argument, but in my opinion(personal and where I work) SS don't actually remove enough children regardless if they're living in squalor, fairly ok or middle class I also don't judge a parent's suitability based on their income or job. I know and understand why it doesn't happen as often as it should(which doesn't make it right) but that's yet another discussion for another thread

Thank you. I thought I was losing it and reread my comment a few times ti make sure it said what I thought it said and didn't miss a word or something.

But most feminists are posted for other things.

Banned. Not posted.

@Helleofabore

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Otters and beavers are all I could find at 2.19 am. Sorry… no emojis of my fave monotreme. ( Well, actually I am also an Echidna lover. But hey ho! )

They're also mammals that lay eggs aren't they? The Echidna I mean.

I'm really glad I went with platypus instead of chickens (too basic) now, first time I've met another fan .

@Helleofabore

I’d wait until tomorrow until you say that starcup, you might notice deletions appearing on tonight’s posts.

And yes, there have been strikes handed out for biscuit posting on this board in the past. Note, I said strikes. You need three strikes and then you are suspended and may be banned.

I am telling you this so you understand that Lang Cleg was not an ‘extremist’. Some people are. They are usually posting with the intention to attack women posting here with vile accusations and slurs.

But most feminists are posted for other things.

I couldn’t give a flying shight about Lang Clegg or whatever her/his name is.

I don’t actively come on the feminist boards because of the type of poster I can’t be arsed with (most of you lot) and it attracts.

I’m lucky my DH provides for me (aghast I hear you all 😂) so I can stay up all night and sleep all day… not everyone had that luxury. Though at least I admit it, can’t imagine most people can stay up until 2.30 am if they start work at 8.30 but I bet you’d rather jump off a cliff thsn admit your SAHM…..

To add, my children are with their dad tonight so I can sleep until midday….. lovely 😊

I think this thread and your contributions are invaluable Starcup. Lurkers see. They see the lack of coherent arguments in favour or surrogacy. I don’t think your abusive approach is as clever as you think it is 😆😆

The Echidna does also lay eggs.

We called them porcupines in my house, but they are very correctly ‘Echidnas.’ They are real ‘sticky beaks’

(And yes, echidnas would often wander into the downstairs part of our house)

You can’t all be asleep now? It’s only 2.30am…..

Sleep until midday tomorrow (like me) it’ll be fun….

You don’t even agree with IVF at al so you’re views are utterly extreme……

Indeed that's correct. Goodness only knows what "gotcha" you think that is.

I can also read and correctly interpret what posters are saying (assuming that it makes sense of course)

Re deletions btw, you may well find you aren't deleted. MNHQ rely on reports - they don't read every thread. I haven't reported anything by you- your posts are too priceless to lose.

Yeah… peri menopause and night sweats are not conducive to sleep. But that is ok, tomorrow is a public holiday.

And I don’t think anyone cares about your domestic arrangement. It is not relevant to the thread and none of our business.

@NotBadConsidering

I think this thread and your contributions are invaluable Starcup. Lurkers see. They see the lack of coherent arguments in favour or surrogacy. I don’t think your abusive approach is as clever as you think it is 😆😆

I’m not trying to be clever, just honest. I don’t agree with a loud of posters on here and if you don’t agree you get a barrage of abuse.

Im giving more than what I get… I e admired I can be a divj but no other person has which tell me, the can not accept other opinions

no more

@KimikosNightmare

You don’t even agree with IVF at al so you’re views are utterly extreme……

Indeed that's correct. Goodness only knows what "gotcha" you think that is.

I can also read and correctly interpret what posters are saying (assuming that it makes sense of course)

Re deletions btw, you may well find you aren't deleted. MNHQ rely on reports - they don't read every thread. I haven't reported anything by you- your posts are too priceless to lose.

I’m sure they would get wind of ten posted that need deleting.

I’ve not deleted a single post in this thread either, it wouldn’t occur to me to. We all have different opinions and all.

But you haven’t explained why you disagree. No one has abused you. They’ve asked you to back up your arguments which you’ve failed to do. And responded with abuse. Why don’t you actually try to be clever and explain why you think women should be allowed to choose to the detriment of all that has been pointed out to you. You can do that, can’t you?

Im giving more than what I get… I e admired I can be a divj but no other person has which tell me, the can not accept other opinions

I owned up to childish and arsehole. It's just pathetic I objected to.

School staff , still have a few more late nights left, not that I can sleep past 10 am anyways.

@Helleofabore

Yeah… peri menopause and night sweats are not conducive to sleep. But that is ok, tomorrow is a public holiday.

And I don’t think anyone cares about your domestic arrangement. It is not relevant to the thread and none of our business.

The same as surrogacy between family members then, if only you could accept that!

Safeguarding needs to be done even with family members.

No sacred groups for safeguarding. At all. Ever.

@NotBadConsidering

But you haven’t explained why you disagree. No one has abused you. They’ve asked you to back up your arguments which you’ve failed to do. And responded with abuse. Why don’t you actually try to be clever and explain why you think women should be allowed to choose to the detriment of all that has been pointed out to you. You can do that, can’t you?

Are you actually joking??? Omfg read my replies. There are about 15 pages worth

I have. You haven’t given a single explanation. You just say women should choose, everyone here is control freaks etc. Why do you think that overrides the harms?

@Helleofabore

Safeguarding needs to be done even with family members.

No sacred groups for safeguarding. At all. Ever.

Yeah but you don’t know if uncle Jim’s is a paedo….. will you? Sadly we can’t can’t protect all the children all the time, especially when their own patents can’t be trusted to protect them

It’s absolutely horrific for the little little souls