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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Mermaids

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NoreenLFO · 28/12/2021 10:52

Mermaids critique -
jamesesses.substack.com/p/mermaids-anything-but-a-fairytale

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allmywhat · 28/12/2021 15:11

So has anyone actually raised a complaint with the Charity Commission about Mermaids?

Providing children with binders on request with no questions asked seems like a pretty clear cut case of harming their beneficiaries. Let alone the rest of it.

Artichokeleaves · 28/12/2021 15:18

@delurkasaurus

Has this been debunked? Because wasn't there this story from June 2019 which comprised the data breach and some detail of chats, weekends away with kids (involving alcohol), and Webberley?:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c7abd38e-8fa0-11e9-9b18-a1967b748a67?shareToken=990f30d2760440821090d7f09b829d48

And after that, weren't Mermaids investigated by both the ICO and the Charity Commission? If investigated by the latter, then it hasn't been concluded, has it?

www.transgendertrend.com/response-revelations-mermaids-sunday-times/

Somewhere in the same black hole that the Welsh government Equality Impact Assessment and the ROGD inquiry were gulped by I expect. It's quite amazing how things go missing when it comes to this particular theme.

I did particularly enjoy the comment by someone from the Tavistock about how it was a shame that they didn't get to do their own investigation personally, so they could find what they wanted to find and say what they wanted to say, instead of all that nonsense exposed by whistleblowers.

Parallel reality in action. I may sing that song by Tim Minchin again.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/12/2021 15:29

If this is true regarding her own child, why isn’t she in jail?

Sacred castes. It is 100% true.

RepentBirthingPersonFucker · 28/12/2021 15:35

It is true. She openly talks about the impact of puberty blockers when discussing her, then, sons penis size in her Ted talk

FrancescaContini · 28/12/2021 15:59

@RepentBirthingPersonFucker

It is true. She openly talks about the impact of puberty blockers when discussing her, then, sons penis size in her Ted talk
OMFG

She talks about her child’s penis in a TED talk??

Isn’t this also a safeguarding red flag?

Imagine a man talking about his pubescent daughter’s breasts or vagina 😱 and having this talk broadcast to the Internet??

FrancescaContini · 28/12/2021 16:03

What sort of parent invades their child’s privacy in this way?? I think that I know. It begins with an “a”.

Linguini · 28/12/2021 16:11

If this is true regarding her own child, why isn’t she in jail?

The only person who can press charges against SG is her child, who doesn't want to.

Linguini · 28/12/2021 16:16

She talks about her child’s penis in a TED talk??

There was another video going around, SG was being interviewed with another family member and SG was laughing about the procedure saying the surgeons had trouble because there wasn't enough to work with.
The puberty blockers prevented her child's penis from ever maturing, how funny is that...Confused

She then delightedly described how after the op, her child was dancing around saying "I've got a fanny!" and how funny that was.

She's basically sick.

Thingybob · 28/12/2021 16:18

"A"??????.

I'm flummoxed on that one

Leafstamp · 28/12/2021 16:31

@Thingybob

"A"??????.

I'm flummoxed on that one

I’m guessing it’s a ‘something’ - so the word itself doesn’t actually begin with a.
Leafstamp · 28/12/2021 16:33

I’m glad that James Esses has written about this and it’s been picked up here. Mermaids needs to be exposed big style.

I think I may be right in saying that some councils still recommend them if schools enquire about trans guidance.

ScreamingMeMe · 28/12/2021 16:33

I don't think Susie talked about her child's genitals in her TED Talk. She definitely did here, though:

twitter.com/GenderfreeCamp/status/1270831306897850369?s=20

Her TED Talk:

OldCrone · 28/12/2021 16:40

There was another video going around, SG was being interviewed with another family member and SG was laughing about the procedure saying the surgeons had trouble because there wasn't enough to work with.

It was in this BBC programme (sadly no longer available).

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00w09yg

SG was talking to her mother about what the surgeons said about the size of her child's penis. They both laughed.

ArabellaScott · 28/12/2021 16:43

I highly recommend watching Susie's TED talk. Very instructive.

Shedmistress · 28/12/2021 16:48

@WaverleyOwl

Does anyone think that all charities should have an expiration date, and that if they are still needed and are still following their original mission, they should have to prove this to the Charities Commission to gain charity status again?
This. Absolutely.
Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 28/12/2021 17:00

Indeed. She describes in the TED talk and other interviews how her (now ex-)husband had clear expectations of how his sons would turn out - noisy, sport-loving, boyish etc. Younger boys met expectations. Eldest child was male but not like that at all. Sensitive, keen on dressing up, loved dolls. Endless arguments as Dad couldn't tolerate seeing his son with a doll. SG said she was fine with it, thought it very likely it signified Jackie was gay (at 2). Couples therapist told them (according to SG) that they should take Jackie's dolls away so the arguments would stop. SG went along with this. Jackie, not surprisingly, became deeply unhappy. SG's mum told SG to give the dolls back. SG unfortunately went a lot further than that. Parents split up and Jackie's very literal interpretation of the endless stuff that must have been said - 'Put that away! Boys don't play with dolls. What are you, a girl?' led to a persistent belief that Jackie was really a girl and that steps needed to be taken to make Jackie's body look more like what Jackie felt like inside.

[Every single bit of this is in the public domain, btw. Put there by SG herself.]

Whatwouldscullydo · 28/12/2021 17:04

For something apparently not based on stereotypes we've yet to ever hear a story that doesn't start with ballet/dance or dolls dresses or a sparkly swimsuit etc

Datun · 28/12/2021 17:08

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

Indeed. She describes in the TED talk and other interviews how her (now ex-)husband had clear expectations of how his sons would turn out - noisy, sport-loving, boyish etc. Younger boys met expectations. Eldest child was male but not like that at all. Sensitive, keen on dressing up, loved dolls. Endless arguments as Dad couldn't tolerate seeing his son with a doll. SG said she was fine with it, thought it very likely it signified Jackie was gay (at 2). Couples therapist told them (according to SG) that they should take Jackie's dolls away so the arguments would stop. SG went along with this. Jackie, not surprisingly, became deeply unhappy. SG's mum told SG to give the dolls back. SG unfortunately went a lot further than that. Parents split up and Jackie's very literal interpretation of the endless stuff that must have been said - 'Put that away! Boys don't play with dolls. What are you, a girl?' led to a persistent belief that Jackie was really a girl and that steps needed to be taken to make Jackie's body look more like what Jackie felt like inside.

[Every single bit of this is in the public domain, btw. Put there by SG herself.]

Every time I even think of this situation, I know that I will never, ever give up, even for a second, stopping this evil ideology.
Datun · 28/12/2021 17:09

I don't know which talk it was, but she actually said to the audience, of course we did what anybody would do, and took him to the doctor. Because he wanted to play with dolls!!

Rightsraptor · 28/12/2021 17:11

The problem with charities having to have regular re-assessments to get revalidated for their charitable status is rather like the argument that all drivers should have to resit their test every 5 years or whatever. The system cannot cope and it would simply crash under the strain (no pun intended with the driving reference).

Whatwouldscullydo · 28/12/2021 17:12

Weren't there also screen shots from JG where they basically just said they wanted to play with dolls.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 28/12/2021 17:17

@Datun

I don't know which talk it was, but she actually said to the audience, of course we did what anybody would do, and took him to the doctor. Because he wanted to play with dolls!!
Yes. From what I can make out, Jackie is close in age to my two children, born in the early 90s. Maybe she and her ex moved in different circles from us, but most people I knew then were very aware of gender stereotyping and its dangers, and were doing their best to avoid them.
NoreenLFO · 28/12/2021 17:24

www.rt.com/uk/528705-transgender-charity-mermaids-fined/

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ScreamingMeMe · 28/12/2021 17:25

@OldCrone

There was another video going around, SG was being interviewed with another family member and SG was laughing about the procedure saying the surgeons had trouble because there wasn't enough to work with.

It was in this BBC programme (sadly no longer available).

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00w09yg

SG was talking to her mother about what the surgeons said about the size of her child's penis. They both laughed.

The clip is available via the tweet I linked to above. I've also found it on Glinner's YouTube channel.
AnotherLass · 28/12/2021 17:36

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