Miller v College Of Policing

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Judgement will be here on Monday, finally. It's been about 9 months since the appeal.

twitter.com/WeAreFairCop/status/1471399029321969666

This was a good article by Sarah Phillimore if anyone needs a recap.

thecritic.co.uk/fair-cops-case-in-court/

Absolutely brilliant news! So pleased for Harry and FairCop

Best news. Well done. Should never have been necessary

This is great!!! I look forward to reading it through. I am sure there is some very handy quotes contained within.

Very well done Harry. Presumably this will not be appealed because Priti Patel has already criticised the practice back in April.

@PronounssheRa

Great news, will this apply retrospectively and will the police now have to update all records where non crime hate incidents have been recorded

In my opinion it must lead to the erasure of all recorded non crime hate incidents from the database as to hold them would breach this ruling.

Fantastic news. Bit by bit sanity returns.

@PronounssheRa

Great news, will this apply retrospectively and will the police now have to update all records where non crime hate incidents have been recorded

I don't think that's clear yet. Faircop twitter account and Sarah phillimore both said on twitter that they don't know yet, and the free speech union press release doesn't mention it. But i dont know how quickly the written judgement becomes available so it might all become clear when everyone has had a chance to digest that.

This is really important: not just because it removes one weapon in our opponent’s armoury to attack us but it confirms that our Polizei’s remit is to enforce the laws that our elected officials make, not to make laws and/or directions according to how they would like the law to be. Sound familiar at all?

I'm sure some of the big names on Legal Twitter (who often aren't very sympathetic to GC arguments) will be cheering for this common-sense judgement...??

Liberty, Amnesty too - they surely don't support people being logged on police databases without being told...??

This is far, far broader than GC arguments.

@PenguindreamsofDraco

Very good news. Shame it's been rather co-opted by Laurence Fox, but a great and deserved win nonetheless.

Will we get to find out who Ms B is now?

Having seen some of the emails etc from “Mrs B” quoted on Fair Cop Twitter this morning, I’m hoping the poor dear is feeling very nervous…

Well done!

I still can’t really believe it got this far. I don’t want to think the police have some weird file of petty grievances against our names like a state branch of Human Resources.

Thanks Manderley

I was just mulling over how much of a nightmare it would be for the police.

I thought GiantKitten was being rather robust over Mrs B so I thought I'd have a look for myself:

twitter.com/WeAreFairCop/status/1472838207469494272

Those messages are quite something.

If it's an actual database they can dump it all in one go with a "drop table" command. If every police force has its own manually curated word documents on a hard drive, they have bigger problems.

@nauticant

I thought GiantKitten was being rather robust over Mrs B so I thought I'd have a look for myself:

twitter.com/WeAreFairCop/status/1472838207469494272

Those messages are quite something.

Christ on a bike.

Wow, this seems to be quite a notable victory! Fair Cop website doesn't seem to be updated, anyone know if/ when the judgement will be available to read?

Does this mean NCHIs now no longer exist, legally? Will they tweak the criteria?

Have fun:

Summary: www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Miller-v-College-of-Policing-summary-201221.pdf

Judgment: www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Miller-v-College-of-Policing-judgment-201221.pdf

OMG read those messages and thought these sound like they are written by an abusive man not a "cis woman". Do we know who this is yet? I can't believe a woman would write like this.

What a great victory anyway. Puuuuullllll...

Mrs B gets an oblique mention in the summary:

In particular, although the Guidance contained two narrow exceptions to the general rule that complaints must be recorded, the lack of any ‘common-sense’ discretion not to record irrational complaints

@PronounssheRa

Great news, will this apply retrospectively and will the police now have to update all records where non crime hate incidents have been recorded

This was my first thought.

Wow! Those letters. Well from the writing style, it’s probably not the man I initially presumed it was, but another equally crazy man with a strong tendency to abusive namecalling.

This is great news, however. I can see how the concept of recording non-crime hate reports could have been useful, but of course like all public reporting, it would have required a strong element of common sense to filter out nutters seeking revenge etc. In recording everything and filtrering nothing, the police created a monster.

I'd love to know how Mrs B's messages weren't recorded as hate crimes.

I really struggle to understand police thinking here. They were getting some massively offensive rants from someone who was clearly seething with hate for anything that is not rabidly right wing claiming she was upset, and they took her seriously? Why?

Brilliant news!

I am pretty sure the police have had to drop a different database under similar conditions - DNA? (Can't remember the details )