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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"All Trans and Non-Binary Kids Need and Deserve Access to Puberty Blockers""

93 replies

Whitefire · 10/12/2021 19:07

This article has just popped up on my Google Chrome homepage (along with ones about Rishi, Chip shops and covid so a mixed bag)

www.wellandgood.com/puberty-blockers/amp/

So PB are totally reversible, they are completely and utterly safe and there is no real data about Lupron and bone density so as long as one takes calcium supplements all is good.

OP posts:
Vuyelwa · 12/12/2021 21:02

Whitefire
The linked article is BS. Read Helen Joyce's excellent book 'Trans', and Abigail Shrier's 'Irreversible Damage'. PBs are being described, deceitfully, as a simple pause button on physical puberty, to give a young person a chance to decide what they want. It is not that simple; strong drugs never are. PBs are used medically for a rare condition in young children in which puberty occurs extremely early. There have been NO clinical trials for their use for young people who have suspected gender dysphoria. They are being widely and very irresponsibly used. There is a growing suspicion that they hold up not just physical but also mental and emotional development. What is known - through proper observation - is that the great majority of children who feel unhappy with their gender 'desist', as it's called - i.e. become reconciled to their bodies - if not persuaded or pressured one way or the other. Transactivism has become an ideology, and children are suffering for it. The number of 'detransitioners' - people who regret transitioning - is growing. Watch out for a slew of lawsuits in a few years' time.

I should stress that most trans people don't subscribe to this ideology, don't believe in pressuring and rushing children into making drastic changes to their bodies that may be irreversible, don't insist that other people deny biological facts and common sense and buy into lies; who just want to get on with their own lives in peace.

Helleofabore · 12/12/2021 21:16

@Artichokeleaves

If I could persuade my GP to stop my periods my life would be a hell of a lot better too. It's a pretty common thing for females sadly.
Same. Knowing the effects of PBs though, I would not be happy with the long term health issues though. I am surprised to read that adults would choose this knowing these effects. Watching my mother struggle to breathe with crumbling vertebrae at not even 60 was warning enough for me.
Whitefire · 12/12/2021 21:43

Thanks Vuyelwa Already read both, need to start on Material Girls. Smile

I in no way agree with it, it just came up on my google chrome homepage (today I have the Daily Express telling us we are to have a tropical winter heatwave) I added that part to deflect the usual accusations about what people google to find these articles.

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ErrolTheDragon · 12/12/2021 23:29

@Artichokeleaves

If I could persuade my GP to stop my periods my life would be a hell of a lot better too. It's a pretty common thing for females sadly.
Mine said it was fine to take the packs of pills back to back without the weeks gap for an artificial bleed - I did that a lot, it was fine.
ImFluidLikeWater · 13/12/2021 00:12

Well now you're assuming the reason WHY I want hormone blockers.
This is all just a huuuuuge misunderstanding. Your generation is not the one who benefits most from this, so why do you insist on always talking about it like you know best?
Like you know first hand the struggles of looking at a body that doesn't match how you truly feel, and knowing you can't do anything about it bc it's too late? That instead the only way you can have smaller breasts is binding (only for short-term relief) or surgery?
Puberty is permanent. Irreversible. Sometimes even life-threatening for trans and gender non-conforming folks. Are you really saying you're against kids having access to something that will let them live a happy life without potential dysphoria? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but that's what it reads like.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 13/12/2021 00:25

This is all just a huuuuuge misunderstanding. Your generation is not the one who benefits most from this, so why do you insist on always talking about it like you know best?

What generation is that then? We're all different ages on here.

Like you know first hand the struggles of looking at a body that doesn't match how you truly feel,

Er, ya? I'm female, and experienced puberty.

and knowing you can't do anything about it bc it's too late? That instead the only way you can have smaller breasts is binding (only for short-term relief) or surgery?
Puberty is permanent. Irreversible. Sometimes even life-threatening for trans and gender non-conforming folks. Are you really saying you're against kids having access to something that will let them live a happy life without potential dysphoria? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but that's what it reads like.

You are romantising the consequences of taking medication that inhibits the maturation of children.

First of all, let's consider the consequences for girls who were prescribed GnRH agonists temporarily to delay puberty.

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For years, Sharissa Derricott, 30, had no idea why her body seemed to be failing. At 21, a surgeon replaced her deteriorated jaw joint. She’s been diagnosed with degenerative disc disease and fibromyalgia, a chronic pain condition. Her teeth are shedding enamel and cracking.

None of it made sense to her until she discovered a community of women online who describe similar symptoms and have one thing in common: All had taken a drug called Lupron.

Thousands of parents chose to inject their daughters with the drug, which was approved to shut down puberty in young girls but also is commonly used off-label to help short kids grow taller.

The drug’s pediatric version comes with few warnings about long-term side effects. It is also used in adults to fight prostate cancer or relieve uterine pain and the Food and Drug Administration has warnings on the drug’s adult labels about a variety of side effects.

More than 10,000 adverse event reports filed with the FDA reflect the experiences of women who’ve taken Lupron. The reports describe everything from brittle bones to faulty joints.

In interviews and in online forums, women who took the drug as young girls or initiated a daughter’s treatment described harsh side effects that have been well-documented in adults.

Women who used Lupron a decade or more ago to delay puberty or grow taller described the short-term side effects listed on the pediatric label: pain at the injection site, mood swings, and headaches. Yet they also described conditions that usually affect people much later in life. A 20-year-old from South Carolina was diagnosed with osteopenia, a thinning of the bones, while a 25-year-old from Pennsylvania has osteoporosis and a cracked spine. A 26-year-old in Massachusetts needed a total hip replacement. A 25-year-old in Wisconsin, like Derricott, has chronic pain and degenerative disc disease.

“It just feels like I’m being punished for basically being experimented on when I was a child,” said Derricott, of Lawton, Okla. “I’d hate for a child to be put on Lupron, get to my age and go through the things I have been through.”

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 13/12/2021 00:34

For obvious reasons of ethics, we cannot put human children in a randomised controlled trial in which some are given medication to inhibit their development, and some are given placebos.

But we can do that with non-human animals.

Animal studies suggest such concerns may be worth investigating. One 2017 study looked at sheep, which go through a developmental spurt similar to human adolescence. Sheep given puberty-blockers performed worse than controls on a maze-navigation task, suggesting their spatial memory was inferior. A 2020 paper looking at mice found, among other things, that females given puberty blockers were more timid in unfamiliar environments, and gave up sooner on a “forced swim” test that is commonly used to assess whether anti-depressants work.

So inhibiting adolescent development of organs interferes with development of that other important organ, the brain. Not so surprising, seeing as brain development is kind of a big thing during adolescence.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 13/12/2021 01:05

Back in humans, have you heard of the child Jazz Jennings? Jazz was the poster child for taking "puberty blockers". The result of that was that Jazz's genitalia didn't develop, meaning there wasn't enough tissue for the planned vaginoplasty.

For those unaware, this is an explanation of a typical vaginoplasty procedure.

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During a vaginoplasty surgery, a surgeon creates both an outer and inner vagina by using skin and tissue from a penis.

Your surgeon will use skin from the penis and scrotum to build theinner and outer labiaof the vagina
Your surgeon will create anew opening for the urethra(so you can urinate)
Your surgeon will use tissue from your foreskin to build thenew opening of the vagina(also called the introitus).

Vaginoplasty Procedure

During most vaginoplasties, your surgeon will use a skin graft to create a new vaginal canal (the inside wall of the vagina). To do this, your surgeon will take skin from your scrotum and thin it so it works well as a skin graft.

If there’s not enough skin from your scrotum to make your new vagina, then your surgeon can take extra skin from the sides of your abdomen where there won’t be a very noticeable scar.

To make your new vaginal canal, your surgeon will create a space between your rectum and bladder. Once your skin graft is inserted, your surgeon will place gauze or spongy material inside the new vaginal canal for 5 days. The gauze puts pressure on the skin graft so it grows like it should into the surrounding vaginal tissue.

This is a computer generated model of the procedure.

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Unfortunately for Jazz, there wasn't enough development there for that.

This is what happened in 2018 as a result.

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On last night's harrowing episode, we learned exactly how serious those post-op complications were. Buckle up, folks.

Jazz underwent bottom surgery over the summer, something for which she had longed all her life.

(Continues)

Unfortunately, she suffered a rare and serious complication after her operation.

"I heard something go ‘pop’ and when I looked, the whole thing had just split open," the doctor explains.

Yikes!

In a behind-the-scenes chat with TLC, Jazz explained exactly what the doctors uncovered.

"They took off the bandages and the packaging," Jazz shares. "And we found out that only 50 percent of the skin graft took."

That is ... dramatically not good.

"So, basically I had no skin," Jazz summarizes.

Most of us prefer to have skin on our genitals, and Jazz is no exception.

www.thehollywoodgossip.com/videos/jazz-jennings-explains-post-op-complications-my-vagina-fell-apar/

So Jazz had an emergency operation to repair it that year, very soon after.

But it wasn't over yet.

By 2020, a third procedure was necessary.

people.com/tv/jazz-jennings-doctors-say-she-had-a-difficult-surgical-course-with-a-severe-complication/

As a result, Jazz's surgeon, the transwoman Dr Marci Bowers, has reassessed "puberty blockers" as a course of action in teens experiencing gender dysphoria.

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But that new orthodoxy has gone too far, according to two of the most prominent providers in the field of transgender medicine: Dr. Marci Bowers, a world-renowned vaginoplasty specialist who operated on reality-television star Jazz Jennings; and Erica Anderson, a clinical psychologist at the University of California San Francisco’s Child and Adolescent Gender Clinic.

In the course of their careers, both have seen thousands of patients. Both are board members of the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH), the organization that sets the standards worldwide for transgender medical care. And both are transgender women.

Earlier this month, Anderson told me she submitted a co-authored op-ed to The New York Times warning that many transgender healthcare providers were treating kids recklessly. The Timespassed, explaining it was “outside our coverage priorities right now.”

Over the past few weeks, I have spoken at length to both women about the current direction of their field and where they feel it has gone wrong. On some issues, including their stance on puberty blockers, they raised concerns that appear to question the current health guidelines set by WPATH — which Bowers is slated to lead starting in 2022.

WPATH, for instance,recommendsthat for many gender dysphoric and gender non-conforming kids, hormonal puberty suppression begin at theearly stages of puberty. WPATH has also insisted since 2012 that puberty blockers are “fully reversible interventions.”

When I asked Anderson if she believes that psychological effects of puberty blockers are reversible, she said: “I’m not sure.” When asked whether children in the early stages of puberty should be put on blockers, Bowers said: “I’m not a fan.”

When I asked Bowers if she still thought puberty blockers were a good idea, from a surgical perspective, she said: “This is typical of medicine. We zig and then we zag, and I think maybe we zigged a little too far to the left in some cases.” She added “I think there was naivete on the part of pediatric endocrinologists who were proponents of early [puberty] blockade thinking that just this magic can happen, that surgeons can do anything.”

I asked Bowers whether she believed WPATH had been welcoming to a wide variety of doctors’ viewpoints — including those concerned about risks, skeptical of puberty blockers, and maybe even critical of some of the surgical procedures?

“There are definitely people who are trying to keep out anyone who doesn’t absolutely buy the party line that everything should be affirming, and that there’s no room for dissent,” Bowers said. “I think that’s a mistake.”

Bowers is not only among the most respected gender surgeons in the world but easily one of the most prolific: she has built or repaired more than 2,000 vaginas, the procedure known as vaginoplasty. She rose to celebrity status appearing on the hit reality-television show “I Am Jazz,” which catalogues and choreographs the life of Jazz Jennings, arguably the country’s most famous transgender teen.

In January 2019, Jeanette Jennings threw her famous daughter a “Farewell to Penis” party. Over a million viewers looked in on guests feasting on meatballs and miniature wieners in the Jennings’ Mediterranean-style Florida home. Family and friends cheered as Jazz sliced into a penis-shaped cake. The rather complicated upcoming procedure came to seem as little more than a Sweet Sixteen.

By that point, Jazz was already Timemagazine’s top 25 most influential teen, the co-author of a bestselling children’s book and theinspiration for a plastic doll. She had served as youth ambassador to the Human Rights Campaign, and she had about one million Instagram followers. Hers was no longer just a personal story but an advertisement for a lifestyle and an industry.

On the day of the procedure — dutifully recorded for Instagram — Jazz’s sister, Ari, teasingly wiggled a sausage in front of the camera. As Jazz was about to be wheeled into the operating room, she snapped her fingers and said, “Let’s do this!”

The vaginoplasty she underwent is what surgeons call a “penile inversion,” in which surgeons use the tissue from the penis and testicles to create a vaginal cavity and clitoris. With grown men, a penile inversion was eminently doable. With Jazz, it was much more difficult.

Like thousands of adolescents in America treated for gender dysphoria (severe discomfort in one’s biological sex), Jazz had been put on puberty blockers. In Jazz’s case, they began at age 11. So at age 17, Jazz’s penis was the size and sexual maturity of an 11-year-old’s. As Bowers explained to Jazz and her family ahead of the surgery, Jazz didn’t have enough penile and scrotal skin to work with. So Bowers took a swatch of Jazz’s stomach lining to complement the available tissue.

At first, Jazz’s surgery seemed to have gone fine, but soon after she said experienced “crazy pain.” She was rushed back to the hospital, where Dr. Jess Ting was waiting. “As I was getting her on the bed, I heard something go pop,” Ting said in an episode of “I Am Jazz.” Jazz’s new vagina — or neovagina, as surgeons say — had split apart.

bariweiss.substack.com/p/top-trans-doctors-blow-the-whistle

Helleofabore · 13/12/2021 04:06

Like you know first hand the struggles of looking at a body that doesn't match how you truly feel, and knowing you can't do anything about it bc it's too late?

Are you fucking serious? Yeah… fucking oath, we don’t know anything like what that feels… obviously ! And none of us also have children who know how this feels either !

Puberty is permanent. Irreversible. Sometimes even life-threatening for trans and gender non-conforming folks. Are you really saying you're against kids having access to something that will let them live a happy life without potential dysphoria?

I assume we are still discussing puberty blockers. So, you are continuing to ignore the negative life limiting and potentially life shortening effects then? Good oh. Maybe post up links to the peer reviewed studies you have been reading that show how harmless they are then.

Because it is good to campaign for people to live a happy life without disphoria (like links to show that it 100% fixes that please too) while consigning those people to living with the other serious effects of the drugs which may be life limiting and life shortening, is it? Instead of finding ways that don’t require these drugs to treat the condition.

Are you really saying you're against kids having access to something that will let them live a happy life without potential dysphoria?

Really, drop the emotional manipulation. Provide the evidence to support the argument that these drugs are harmless, that they achieve the fully desired outcome without the negative side effects instead.

While you are at it, please also provide a way for us to also be able to know exactly which child’s dysphoria will persist into adulthood. So that doctors will reliably know which of our daughter’s to treat and which ones will desist with reaching adulthood.

I look forward to adding your evidence to my reading list.

Helleofabore · 13/12/2021 05:54

Well now you're assuming the reason WHY I want hormone blockers.

If you are an adult and want to take these drugs, that is your choice.

From your posts you seem to be here simply to berate and belittle, even demonize, people discussing the use of these drugs. (And pulled the ageist card. How wonderfully unique.) People who don’t agree with children and teenagers being prescribed these drugs for gender dysphoria, for various reasons.

The biggest reason is the long term effects of these drugs on health. Particularly females. The effects on females are known and have been recorded. They seem to be often ignored by people who have a male centred agenda .

While you might be satisfied to take that risk, a child or a teenager being told these are harmless drugs when they are not, is unconscionable. And at 12/13, what girl has the maturity to understand that they could potentially be incredibly restricted in their choices in even 10-15 years due to ligament and bone issues. Or jaw and tooth issues. The mental health effects of the drugs and of the impact of the side effects. Those effects seem a long way off in the immediacy of getting a quick fix now. (There is no quick fix, of course)

Rather than attempting to shame posters on this thread. How about taking a different direction, link up that evidence that has convinced you it is all worth it.

After all, it would be rather shameful to be convincing people of these benefits purely on emotion and an adult’s wish of what could have been. Particularly since many posters here have teenagers who currently suffer various types of dyphoria and dismorphia. We are the parents of the very people you are supposedly advocating for.

So, as per my previous post. Link us up. You have obviously seen papers and research that we have not and my reading list needs some more. Original sources please though.

MrsMadderRose · 13/12/2021 08:45

There is no easy way out of feeling dysphoric about the sex of your body. But by far the healthiest way out is to come to terms with it as most people do, even though many people find puberty upsetting and often very strongly don’t want it to happen.

It is wrong to encourage very young kids to thinks that that aversion to puberty means they are trans. It doesn’t. And it’s especially wrong to encourage them to think that and also encourage them to think that there’s a good solution involving powerful drugs that can stop puberty and/or invade treatments that can give them a different sex, when all these measures have not been properly tested but are already known to cause very serious long-term health problems. Many kids who would have come to terms with their bodies are now having them badly damaged and facing a life of pain and misery.

The idea that pbs are life-saving and essential to prevent suicide is being pushed by gender ideology, that doesn’t make it true. In fact there is mounting evidence that suicide and poor mental health remain high or get even higher after transition which would be to be expected if lots of people have unnecessarily harmed their bodies.

People on here are a wide range of ages, but something that comes with growing up, being 25 + , is understanding your body and accepting yourself as you are. The whole idea of treating “trans kids” who we know are probably mainly not trans means not allowing people to have the chance to reach that stage and have a healthy life.

Helleofabore · 13/12/2021 12:06

It is always interesting that mental health is brought up in regards to treatment with PBs. People who retroactively wish to have used them seem to use the 'I would have better mental health' as an excuse. This is very misleading. Anxiety, depression and mood changes are a known effect of at least one of the drugs.

Interestingly, in this paper below, it is noted that :

'Recent findings that GnRHas increase depression symptoms and slow reaction time in healthy women'.

www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2017.00044/full#B8

And Marcus Evans also has something to say about it.

Conclusions

The fantasy that the body can be rapidly sculpted as a way of being rid of profound psychological problems needs to come under much closer scrutiny. There is a great reluctance to even consider that the difficulties can be understood, at least sometimes, through the lens of body dysmorphia, where the individual becomes obsessed with a perceived physical flaw. Plastic surgeons are very familiar with patients who seek surgery to erase a psychological difficulty and refer these individuals accordingly. Medical and surgical interventions in those with gender dysphoria very often leave the underlying problems completely unaddressed. It is, of course, not the case that surgical interventions can remove all evidence of natal sex – which remains as a source of persecution, a constant reminder of the continued existence of an unwanted aspect of the self. Individuals need help and support in coming to terms with who they are, as part of the maturational process.

However, patients often put enormous pressure on family, schools and clinical services to join with them in the belief that to transition to the ‘ideal’ body, i.e. to eradicate unwanted aspects of their body, is the only solution to their problems. Perelberg makes the point that, if the family or clinical service accepts this without sufficient question, then there is a ‘confusion of registers’, i.e. the patient acts as if they are convinced that a problem of self-representation existing in the mind can be cured by concretely treating the body. The cost is that the individual is dissociated from their own body, treating it like a mannequin rather than a part of the self with anxieties, feelings and confusions.

www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bjpsych-bulletin/article/freedom-to-think-the-need-for-thorough-assessment-and-treatment-of-gender-dysphoric-children/F4B7F5CAFC0D0BE9FF3C7886BA6E904B

So, I take any adult who is advocating for the use of PBs based on what they wish had happened to them. It is incredibly dangerous because, frankly, it DIDN'T happen to them so they are in a safe situation where they can think all they like about what might have beens. They are not the ones who have to live with the repercussions.

And with all due respect, any female advocating for PBs for this current cohort of pubertal female transitioners is likely to be missing the degree of how many of these females desist when they get older. Because the pressure on these pubertal females in incredible internally and externally and while social contagion has been posited, no studies have been done because, surprise, surprise, studies were stopped with cries of transphobia.

In fact, here is another link.

^Published April 22, 2021
Kasia Kozlowska, Georgia McClure et al^

Australian children and adolescents with gender dysphoria: Clinical presentations and challenges experienced by a multidisciplinary team and gender service

journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/26344041211010777

Effective treatment of adolescents is being hindered by these adolescents arriving with 'pre formed expectations' gained from external sources.

It is always very rare for people who advocate for puberty blockers to admit, acknowledge or to even refer to any potential negatives. Yet, they arrive on MN to tell us we are all gatekeeping the future and how dare we do that.

While forgetting that we are the parents of the current generation that is asking for these treatments and perhaps we are actually not the ignorant ones.

TheWeeDonkey · 13/12/2021 12:26

I went through early menopause due to hysterectomy so before my peers. The toll on my mental health was devastating and a huge shock to me. Things I used to be able to do without even thinking about it felt impossible and at some points I really felt I was losing my mind. There were times when I felt not suicidal but like the world would be better if I wasn't in it. It was a horrible time and it took a lot of hard work to find some mental equilibrium.

The effect of estrogen on female mental health cannot be underestimated.

This is one of the reasons I feel so strongly that PB and cross sec hormones are very dangerous for young and already vulnerable people.

Helleofabore · 13/12/2021 12:49

I remember WeeDonkey reading the account of the mother of an Australian female teenage transitioner. The sheer hell that teenager went through with puberty blockers was menopause. Those symptoms you describe were mentioned. As was the hot flushes, the night sweats etc. And it went on for a few years with that intensity.

The teenager was so entrenched that they had convinced themselves that this was going to deliver them this wondrous future. That was how they dealt with it, but lost contact with friends and any sport because of the symptoms.

And we know very well just how these negative effects are either never discussed due to pressure (many, many detransitioners speak of this) and are captured in video as tears of joy like the recent female who had their breasts removed in the USA and complained of phantom nipple pain (nipples fully removed). Like someone had their nipples in a pinch and would not let go. Or the phalloplasties that go wrong, or the singer who was assured that surgery to remove their Adams apple would not affect their vocal chords but four years later is having rectification surgery which after the scar tissue healed again put their voice back to square one.

It is from the detransitioners that we also then learn of the bladder and incontinence issues for life, the bone density issues, the heart issues. It is significantly worse for females at every turn.

All these horrific outcomes all video captured and portrayed as being 'ok' because after all they are achieving their dream. Despite the horrendous limiting health they are experiencing and realising that this will be with them now for life. At the moment they hold it up high as a badge of honour.

And because to say anything else will mean ostracisation.

TheWeeDonkey · 13/12/2021 13:46

Its horrendous Helleofabore. I have a young adult child and he's just reaching the stage where he's going out into the world and becoming a part of it. Its such an exciting time in his life and these young people are being robbed of that by ghouls and leeches who happily pour poisoon in their ears because they just don't care.

Its pure evil, that's all it is, thats all I can say about it.

And the fact that the people who want these young people to live full and happy lives and discover themselves in a safe way are being painted as the bad guys is a great trick.

Helleofabore · 13/12/2021 14:56

It is most concerning WeeDonkey.

And we still get posters plopping things on threads posting declaring us to be ignorant gatekeepers who are set on destroying people's lives and making other statements that show an obvious lack of balanced information.

I mean this

Puberty is permanent. Irreversible. Sometimes even life-threatening for trans and gender non-conforming folks.

Yes... bone density issues that arise from the use of puberty blockers are also absolutely permanent. So too, it seems from other posts on this and the other thread where PBs are being blithely advocated for with absolutely no regard for the negative effects, is a drop in IQ. We also know from the girls who were prescribed the drugs for precocious puberty that they require jaw surgery, but that teeth have to be artificially replaced and ligament damage is also permanent.

It is like some posters take regurgitated 'positive' stories without ever looking at the real stories behind them. And they only look at the negative immediate effects. Let's face it, it took 10+ years for many of the Precocious puberty users to encounter any effects. How long have females been prescribed puberty blockers for gender dysphoria is any large enough measurable quantities?

So.... yes. Puberty IS permanent. However, it would be someone who hasn't been reading the information that is out there that is studiously being ignored by activists only interested in pushing their own biased agenda that would declare puberty blockers as being 'reversible' for females. Even the NHS and many of the world's medical services have removed that wording from their information.

But, then again, every time someone comes and posts such ill-informed posts, more and more links come out and readers get access to much better information to be able to make decisions for themselves. So, that is one positive, I guess.

Helleofabore · 13/12/2021 15:06

And here is another link.

www.svtplay.se/video/33358590/uppdrag-granskning/mission-investigate-trans-children-avsnitt-1

The latest from Sweden on the effects of puberty blockers on Leo and others.

As the poster who posted this initially states:

A trans child, Leo was treated for puberty blockers for 4 years. Leo ended up with osteoporosis (significantly below any normal bone density interval), fractures in the back, constant pain and worse mental state.

The journalist also found an additional 12 cases in Stockholm only where children had serious side effects (bone fractures, deep regret from voice changes, injuries, deteriorating mental health and significant weight gains). Leo’s case was not reported and not one of these.

So, I look forward to ImFluidLikeWater posting their evidence that puberty blockers are completely harmless, reversible and to be used to halt periods and cause no long term damage at all.

And maybe Fluid will come back and answer (in addition to the supportive evidence for all they claim)

"Are you really saying you're for kids having access to something that has actually little evidence that they improve trans kids lives more than other types of therapy in the first place, is experimental for this particular use and has a mounting number of significant negative side effects, when you are an adult and will never have to actually deal with these issues yourself?"

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