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École Polytechnique murders 32 years ago today

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Rhannion · 06/12/2021 19:53

Today 6th December marks 32 years since 14 women were murdered in Montreal, Canada. They were shot by because they were women.

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ArabellaScott · 07/12/2021 11:08

Geneviève Bergeron,
Hélène Colgan,
Nathalie Croteau,
Barbara Daigneault,
Anne-Marie Edward,
Maud Haviernick,
Barbara Klucznik-Widajewicz,
Maryse Laganière,
Maryse Leclair,
Anne-Marie Lemay,
Sonia Pelletier,
Michèle Richard,
Annie St-Arneault and
Annie Turcotte

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FindTheTruth · 07/12/2021 11:21

"she campaigned to have the city change a commemorative plaque hanging outside of a Montreal park honouring the women killed at Polytechnique. Instead of ambiguously reminding visitors to contemplate the “victims of the Polytechnique tragedy”, the brand-new sign speaks in no uncertain terms: “This park is named in the memory of 14 women assassinated in an antifeminist attack.”
www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/04/mass-shooting-1989-montreal-14-women-killed

FindTheTruth · 07/12/2021 11:22

Geneviève Bergeron,
Hélène Colgan,
Nathalie Croteau,
Barbara Daigneault,
Anne-Marie Edward,
Maud Haviernick,
Barbara Klucznik-Widajewicz,
Maryse Laganière,
Maryse Leclair,
Anne-Marie Lemay,
Sonia Pelletier,
Michèle Richard,
Annie St-Arneault and
Annie Turcotte

Flowers
École Polytechnique murders 32 years ago today
RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 07/12/2021 11:25

“I had a red dress on”, said no woman when describing her experience of being groped in a crowded bar, ever.

Interesting detail for this person to put in, no?

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 07/12/2021 11:25

@FindTheTruth

Geneviève Bergeron, Hélène Colgan, Nathalie Croteau, Barbara Daigneault, Anne-Marie Edward, Maud Haviernick, Barbara Klucznik-Widajewicz, Maryse Laganière, Maryse Leclair, Anne-Marie Lemay, Sonia Pelletier, Michèle Richard, Annie St-Arneault and Annie Turcotte

Flowers

Flowers
viques · 07/12/2021 11:30

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ScreamingMeMe · 07/12/2021 11:31

@DinosaurOnlySpaces

"For decades, trans women have been kept out of the conversation around gender-based violence."

Absolutely macabre - acting as though the really bad part about a massacre is some people feeling their opinions are sidelined.

This is absolutely grotesque. Just when I thought my disgust for self-centred TRAs had reached its limit.
FindTheTruth · 07/12/2021 11:32

The speaker retweeted this image of a TRA with a machine gun in August. Nerf or Nothin'." uses the implication that there is only one option, regardless of the debate

École Polytechnique murders 32 years ago today
KittenKong · 07/12/2021 11:33

Yes. Well. No surprise. It’s a sub culture theme isn’t it?

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 07/12/2021 11:34

I'm so tired.

What is the stat? One dead woman every three days or so in the UK - murdered by a man. If she's over 75 her death or rape isn't even recorded because, well, who cares?

I used to be sympathetic to trans women, I really was "of course, come in and pee, let me fix that make up for you" - but, increasingly, I look at the piles of dead women compared to the, erm, no dead trans women, and I am losing sympathy.

I am middle aged and only now beginning to understand what "sisterhood" means. Those women who were murdered for being female by an inadequate man were my sisters. And I feel their loss. Which is odd, I didn't know them, but, jesus wept, I have a welling up of noisy, fiery grief at the loss of all these women who were all loved and needed.

We needed them.

One every three fucking days.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 07/12/2021 11:37

Hang on - are you telling me that the speaker at an event where women were massacred by a man with a gun because they were women/feminists previously put a tacitly threatening (to women/feminists) picture of an individual with a gun on social media?

Words.Fail.Me.

KittenKong · 07/12/2021 11:38

They either don’t check or don’t care about why they get to speak for women.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 07/12/2021 11:39

I'm no sure they really wanted someone speaking 'for women'.

SomethingBeginningWithX · 07/12/2021 11:46

Geneviève Bergeron,
Hélène Colgan,
Nathalie Croteau,
Barbara Daigneault,
Anne-Marie Edward,
Maud Haviernick,
Barbara Klucznik-Widajewicz,
Maryse Laganière,
Maryse Leclair,
Anne-Marie Lemay,
Sonia Pelletier,
Michèle Richard,
Annie St-Arneault and
Annie Turcotte

Flowers

I hope each of these women is at peace. I'm holding my 8 week old daughter, just as each of those women was once held by her mother, treasured and loved with every piece of them. I can't imagine the pain this crime caused to those families.

I fear the world is getting worse not better for women and the choice of speaker just reinforces that view.

SammyScrounge · 07/12/2021 11:47

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ScreamingMeMe · 07/12/2021 11:51

@FindTheTruth

The speaker retweeted this image of a TRA with a machine gun in August. Nerf or Nothin'." uses the implication that there is only one option, regardless of the debate
And they're speaking at a memorial for women who were shot. Incredible.
KittenKong · 07/12/2021 11:53

This person already has their Remembrance Day sport light last month. They are obviously someone who is very vocal.

endofthelinefinally · 07/12/2021 13:10

This is honestly one of the worst things I have read on here. It is so utterly crass, insensitive, inappropriate, insulting, egotistical, self absorbed and disgusting.
The loss of an adult child is recognised by psychiatrists as being the worst kind of bereavement. When that loss is associated with violence it is intensified. The pain and grief never, never leave you. The parents and families of those poor women should not have to endure such disrespect to add to their terrible grief.

KittenKong · 07/12/2021 13:18

It’s certainly the most tone deaf thing. And they just don’t get it do they?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/12/2021 13:21

I had a red dress on”, said no woman when describing her experience of being groped in a crowded bar, ever.

Interesting detail for this person to put in, no?

Isn't it. Love the new name btw.

thevassal · 07/12/2021 13:38

"Government data does not have accurate records of the number of transgender women murdered in gender-based violence, Preston said.
It boils down to the trans community's relationship with government and police, she said.
"A lot of it comes down to the way that the government collects information and also, to a certain extent, community reluctance to engage with the government due to decades of systemic oppression," she said"

What? The only two reasons the government might not have records of the % of transwomen murdered is either because there is currently no space to record it on the relevant forms, or because there aren't any trans women murdered in gender based violence. I don't know which it is but if anyone did want to record it would be incredibly easy to do, and therefore to campaign on. It's a bit of a cop out to say 'we think this is an incredibly important issue that needs accurate data but due to our "decades of systematic oppression" we don't want to do the one thing that might actually achieve it (I.e. lobby govt to record gender identity of all deaths/just murders if it differs from birth sex). Instead I'll just moan about it to a journalist from a completely different country which will achieve fuck all.'

Plus all, apart from all that, I don't believe any of the women murdered in this actual incident were trans, so is an article about the memorial of their tragic deaths really a suitable place to bring up your own agenda, however worthy it is?

FindTheTruth · 07/12/2021 13:40

increasingly, I look at the piles of dead women compared to the, erm, no dead trans women

How could the organisers think that this speaker, who retweeted the message of a TRA with a gun, was appropriate?

EsmaCannonball · 07/12/2021 14:03

The École Polytechnique massacre was one of those events that really burned its way into my mind as a teenager. Later on, in 1997, I had my moment of revelation that trans women were not men who should have been born women, but just men with a variety of issues. A year or two after that Germaine Greer resigned from Cambridge after the appointment of a male professor at Newnham College and the potential damage from men identifying as women was brought home to me. I knew it was a sexist ideology but that was the first real-life consequence to hit the news. It was transactivists protesting around memorial events for victims of the École Polytechnique massacre about a decade ago that put me fully on the plane to Terf Island. How dare they protest these events? How dare they make the murder of women, who were targeted for breaking the rules about gender, all about them and their beloved gender?

It looks like they have succeeded.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/12/2021 14:12

It was transactivists protesting around memorial events for victims of the École Polytechnique massacre about a decade ago that put me fully on the plane to Terf Island.

YY. Radical feminist and author of "The Transsexual Empire"Janice Raymond spoke at the Vancouver Public Library at a memorial event organised by the Vancouver Rape Relief shelter (also targeted by TRAs) and various TRAs tried to get it shut down and then when that didn't work, organised utterly tone deaf "protests" both outside the library and even L'École Polytechnique itself Confused though I think they didn't go ahead ultimately.

FindTheTruth · 07/12/2021 14:31

transactivists protesting around memorial events for victims of the École Polytechnique massacre

Canada seems to be leading the world in this type of incel paraphilic hatred of women. It even has a bill going through that could outlaw feminism.