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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

And this is what we're up against!!

80 replies

WhatyoutalkingaboutWillis · 05/12/2021 11:23

www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=gmaDcbGKwt4&fbclid=IwAR2HBzI5J5kvYW3mogIVEE9wqdlLFpLneZ3Mhr7ybqlBGm8c6296WiH7e9M

How has this still got legs?

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Thefartingsofaofdenmarkstreet · 05/12/2021 14:31

This is what brainwashing looks like.

It's quite scary really!

KimikosNightmare · 05/12/2021 14:43

I gave up after about a minute. The 2 women in the anoraks are irredeemably stupid.

YourenutsmiLord · 05/12/2021 14:43

When he interviewed the ones without dyed hair it was pretty normal.

Boy he is angry - great interviewer.

UKIPmember · 05/12/2021 14:53

It’s hardly unique to universities though is it? I wouldn’t be surprised if you got similar responses from the staff at just about any mainstream left wing media organisation in the English speaking western world or from the staff and activists of most centre left or environmentalist political parties. And even if it was unique to university students it wouldn’t stay that way for long unless the students all suddenly changed their opinions upon graduation. The left always wanted to free people from constraints, it is an idea without a final destination, it doesn’t have a stopping point.

BreadInCaptivity · 05/12/2021 14:56

I think it's worth considering that the students interviewed might well have been somewhat self selecting.

If you were a GC student at Sussex right now, how comfortable would you be about being filmed, having seen what's happened to one of the Professors?

Coyoacan · 05/12/2021 14:59

I absolutely HATED his repeated assertions at the end that only those with liberal and right of centre politics are appalled by this whole sorry movement. It's a very "anti left" message he sums up with

Yes, in the end he thinks this stuff is extreme left, when for people like me, left-wing is to do with economics. He also confused gender with sex throughout the entire video. So unfortunately he is not so intellectually superior to the half-wits he interviewed

A580Hojas · 05/12/2021 15:11

Quite he himself doesn't even understand the basics of Sex Not Gender. So ... I take it with a pinch of salt. Also a cheap shot to go after a bunch of students who really aren't fully formed yet intellectually.

Bosky · 05/12/2021 15:21

@trumpisagit

The link takes me to BGT Golden buzzers, what's the video about, and I will try and find it.
This link less the extra flummery should take you straight to it :-)
CliantheLang · 05/12/2021 15:22

Redlake: "Turning Point UK". "Creating a new generation of Conservatives".
He just wants to slag off anything which his right wing ideology considers "woke"

I don't blame him. The left has a long history of supporting all kinds of dodgy ideas. Eugenics (the Fabians et al), pedophilia (Foucault and Derrida and the entire post-modern shit-show) and now this.

UKIPmember · 05/12/2021 15:22

“ "Turning Point UK". "Creating a new generation of Conservatives".
He just wants to slag off anything which his right wing ideology considers "woke"”

Perhaps. But I wouldn’t really say that Turning Point are the folks with the ideology here, would you? At least not to the same extent anyway, the students seemed far more ideological than the interviewer did, albeit it’s a different view point they have.

The thing is all ideologies are just abstract constructions and no political ideology mirrors reality perfectly 100% of the time or always produces the best outcome. Some times the conservatives will get things wrong, other times not so much. However some ideologies are closer to reality and have better outcomes in the real world than others... I’m happy with my place on the political spectrum and I’ll leave it at that :)

Bosky · 05/12/2021 15:30

I do wish the interviewer had been better informed himself!

He clearly only had half a clue himself what it was all about, although fair dos he knew he was dealing with top notch batshittery!

One question I wish he had asked was, "When did you start to think this?"

With some follow-up questions about the "how" and "where".

I want to know if they had arrived at Sussex Uni completely sane and then been brainwashed there, or if they had been indoctrinated to that astonishing level of uncritical compliance whilst still at school.

The other thing I wonder about, given the recent history of witch hunts at Sussex Uni, is how safe any of them would have felt to profess "gender critical" views on camera?

Debroglie · 05/12/2021 15:34

Yeah I too was pretty offended by the accusation that all lefties are like those students.

lanadelgrey · 05/12/2021 15:38

Shooting fish in a barrel

PostingForTheFirstTime · 05/12/2021 15:39

@PearlAsylum

I skim-watched some of it, and came to the same conclusion. That two, at least, of the people being interviewed were just giving out received wisdom. I got the impression they knew what they were supposed to say (and, by implication, what they shouldn't say). I didn't see conviction.

The first two, though...... :-(

elver · 05/12/2021 16:07

It's a shame the interviewer looks like he's aligned to UKIP...

Coyoacan · 05/12/2021 16:07

The left has a long history of supporting all kinds of dodgy ideas. Eugenics (the Fabians et al), pedophilia (Foucault and Derrida and the entire post-modern shit-show) and now this

AFAIK, Foucault is neither left wing nor right wing.

But I could equally say that the right-wing has a small problem of genocidal murderers.

Sorry for the derail.

KimikosNightmare · 05/12/2021 16:10

@UKIPmember

“ "Turning Point UK". "Creating a new generation of Conservatives". He just wants to slag off anything which his right wing ideology considers "woke"”

Perhaps. But I wouldn’t really say that Turning Point are the folks with the ideology here, would you? At least not to the same extent anyway, the students seemed far more ideological than the interviewer did, albeit it’s a different view point they have.

The thing is all ideologies are just abstract constructions and no political ideology mirrors reality perfectly 100% of the time or always produces the best outcome. Some times the conservatives will get things wrong, other times not so much. However some ideologies are closer to reality and have better outcomes in the real world than others... I’m happy with my place on the political spectrum and I’ll leave it at that :)

I agree. This is being pushed by the left wing.
samsalmon · 05/12/2021 16:18

Big sigh.

Do you know, watching this has made me wonder. I remember being pregnant, not knowing the sex of the baby and going to buy some baby clothes. Being brought up in the marvellous 70s, when we all wore variations of orange, brown and green and basically all had the same haircut, I was totally floored to see a blue aisle and a pink aisle facing off against each other in Mothercare. I did eventually find a small token section of ‘unisex’ clothes but it was an eye opener for me. Things had really really changed since the 70s and 80s.

So maybe these young people are reacting against that. Because not only did blue and pink become a major thing, but so did the hyper-masculine and hyper-feminine, in terms of appearances, desirable body types, ideals of beauty. In which case, I totally sympathise and get what they’re saying about wanting to reject all of that.

Unfortunately for them though, there has been some awful muddying of the waters and hijacking of causes along the way. What these young people are too inexperienced to see though is that women’s rights are hard won and easily lost, always. That will never change. And that is one of but not the only reason why they will experience pushback when they come out with this stuff.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 05/12/2021 16:20

These people have opened their minds so far their brains have dropped out.

North American equivalent: This one is shorter. From a very socially conservative religious group, I believe, but facts are facts wherever they come from.

samsalmon · 05/12/2021 16:21

@BreadInCaptivity

I think it's worth considering that the students interviewed might well have been somewhat self selecting.

If you were a GC student at Sussex right now, how comfortable would you be about being filmed, having seen what's happened to one of the Professors?

Very good point.
334bu · 05/12/2021 16:24

AFAIK, Foucault is neither left wing nor right wing.
But I could equally say that the right-wing has a small problem of genocidal murderers.

Quite a few genocidal left wingers too....... Stalin, Pol Pot for starters.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 05/12/2021 16:24

Yes, it's an excellent point.

I take it he didn't make his own position clear before asking students whether they wanted to be interviewed, or most would have refused.

CarrotSticks19 · 05/12/2021 16:41

I mean on one hand the first girls changing gender is as basic a decision as what drink you want in a pub. Just a very simple, casual preference

On the other hand you are completely eradicating what sex you are, to the point that you are no longer biological male and a threat to women.

Which is it? It's either a casual, low level decision akin to choosing a new shirt, or it's completely eradicating your entire biology.

Honestly I wouldn't worry too much about these students. They have been indoctrinated a little yes, and they are clearly scared to get it wrong. But if the fashion changes their views too will change.

Abhannmor · 05/12/2021 16:53

@A580Hojas

Hmm. I skipped through a lot of it as obviously the students were not convincing in their arguments.

I absolutely HATED his repeated assertions at the end that only those with liberal and right of centre politics are appalled by this whole sorry movement. It's a very "anti left" message he sums up with. Turned me off him and his little film immediately.

Yes this is getting tiresome. This garbage originates in California school sociology ultimately. Atomism , phenomenology blah very liberal. Wtf has it got to do with the Class Struggle?
sharksarecool · 05/12/2021 17:57

The trouble is, no Sussex student in their right mind would dare to state on camera that they disagree with any of the gender stuff. They've seen what happened to Kathleen Stock. He might as well fly out to Afghanistan and ask people on the street what they think of the Taliban