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Trans children in Sweden - serious side effect, cover ups by hospital
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Doubletoilandtrouble · 25/11/2021 10:06

www.svtplay.se/video/33313874/uppdrag-granskning/uppdrag-granskning-transbarnen

This is in Swedish only for now. A trans child, Leo was treated for puberty blockers for 4 years. Leo ended up with osteoporosis (significantly below any normal bone density interval), fractures in the back, constant pain and worse mental state.

The journalist also found an additional 12 cases in Stockholm only where children had serious side effects (bone fractures, deep regret from voice changes, injuries, deteriorating mental health and significant weight gains). Leo’s case was not reported and not one of these.

Leo’s parents were not informed of the risk and the doctor that warned the parents about the side effects was reported to the management and silenced (words like incitement was used).

The psychiatric staff initially blamed everything on the hormone team. The head of the department with the hormones claimed in the interview to never have seen the reports from the psychiatric team.

Investigation only seem to have started after the journalist made the program and it wasn’t possible to cover up any more.

And this was Astrid Lindgren’s children’s hospital, one of the hospitals that at least stopped with this treatment. Other hospitals are happily going and claims that the treatment side effects doesn’t worry them.

The program finishes with that nobody know the number of children with serious side effects (some seem to be covered up). Some other Swedish hospitals keep going.

And there is an interview with two transwomen who think that it is horrid that people are using “think of the children”, that is just an argument to deprive trans people of care. They think that the big problem is transphobia. These two transwomen also spoke at the medical conference and told the doctors about how they needed to shift the focus from potential harm to children to fighting transphobia.

I feel sick. I hope this will come out with subtitles soon.

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Whatwouldscullydo · 25/11/2021 10:15

The sooner its realised that the real transphobia is thinking that trans people and children are entitled to substandard care compared to everyone else.

You cant simultaneously claim something is the right course of treatment then shut down everything that lists side effects ts or problems.

Even calpol has side effects. Nothing is without side effects. Even things that are meant to he good for us can also harm/kill us.

There is no medical treatment on earth that free of any negative consequences. We acknowledge them we should acknowledge this.

Nothing is going to get better if we can't look at it.

Please repost of this comes out with subtitles

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Doubletoilandtrouble · 25/11/2021 10:16

The cover up is awful. I wonder how many other children are out there.

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foxgoosefinch · 25/11/2021 10:16

I suspect that all of this is building up to become one of those medical scandals that later on everyone says “how could it have happened”? When of course women and some concerned clinicians have been warning about this for a long time.

If I was a TRA I would be very cautious about the potential blowback from all of this ending up making the whole ideology look very, very bad, potentially finishing the whole thing off. Fashion can turn against you pretty fast when something bad happens.

Just look at some of the reports about girls treated with puberty blockers for growth in the US - young women reporting crumbling bones, constant pain, jaw and teeth deterioration in their early twenties. There is IIRC a big class action pending in the US with the makers of Lupron.

We’ve been here before with medical and psychiatric capture around similar issues from vaginal mesh and Thalidomide to “holding” therapy and lobotomisation. In the early 20thc there were therapies involving putting radium directly on to the bones of chronic pain sufferers - until they all started dying of bone cancer! It’s a regular historical oxcurrence, and yet it doesn’t seem to give anyone any pause when ideologically motivated treatments like this pop up - like thinking “hmm, might a bit of talking therapy and waiting be better than unlicensed experimental drug treatment on kids?” Angry

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Doubletoilandtrouble · 25/11/2021 10:21

The film with the suffering of Leo and his mother crying (and the other 12 cases where someone had bothered to do a report) was juxtaposed with a happy transwoman in their 50s living their best life and wanting puberty blockers for children.

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Helleofabore · 25/11/2021 10:24

Thank you! I was hoping to know what the documentary is about. The cover up is bad enough.

The use of the transwomen at medical conferences to shame clinicians into providing treatment that they know or suspect has some significant issues (or would if it wasn’t covered up) is to very concerning.

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Doubletoilandtrouble · 25/11/2021 10:24

It is a little bit like here actually. Lots of women horrified at potential side effects for children and some happy middle aged transwomen telling us that we are bigoted and transphobic.

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nauticant · 25/11/2021 10:27

If I was a TRA I would be very cautious about the potential blowback from all of this ending up making the whole ideology look very, very bad, potentially finishing the whole thing off. Fashion can turn against you pretty fast when something bad happens.

This is probably why one of the main cheerleaders, Marci Bowers in the US, started to backpedal a month or so back:

bariweiss.substack.com/p/top-trans-doctors-blow-the-whistle

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Whatwouldscullydo · 25/11/2021 10:28

Why would you even ask non medical professionals and people who have never taken them, with vested interests about drugs anyway.

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GoodieMoomin · 25/11/2021 10:28

History keeps repeating. Dr John Money covered up the problems poor David Reimer had and pretended the "treatment" was a success. His protocols were then followed by other medics which caused untold harm to god knows how many children.

If you have a strong stomach I recommend the book

www.amazon.co.uk/As-Nature-Made-Him-P-S/dp/0061120561?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

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Helleofabore · 25/11/2021 10:30

That is an apt comparison.

So there were 12 others they found in Stockholm? I wonder what % that is of the treatment cohort.

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potniatheron · 25/11/2021 10:33

When Lupron was used only for precocious puberty in kids (so very rarely) the guidance was never to use it longer than 6 months continuously. Long term continuous use is known to cause the following side effects (not an exhaustive list):
Bones and connective tissue not fusing properly
Osteoporosis
Obesity
Cognitive developmental delay
Chronic pain / migraine
Chronic inflammation
Speech / cognitive processing issues

Puberty blockers is a misnomer, it would be better to call them growth stunters.
After this, so-called trans children are then flooded with dangerous levels of opposite sex hormones which their bodies are not able to manage or tolerate which puts them at greater risk of stroke, cancer, diabetes and cardio-pulmonary problems.

We should NOT be doing this to children.

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Doubletoilandtrouble · 25/11/2021 10:34

Those 12 were the incident reports they found, presumably under some FOI act. Remember that the child the documentary focused on (severely damaged bones) didn’t even have an incident report. There may be many children like that.

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nauticant · 25/11/2021 10:34

What about "development inhibitors"?

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Doubletoilandtrouble · 25/11/2021 10:37

Development inhibitors?

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NotBadConsidering · 25/11/2021 10:37

Place marking hoping for an English translation.

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Helleofabore · 25/11/2021 10:41

I look forward to seeing this with subtitles.

This is a scandal and it must be horrific for those patients. But the more honesty around the effects the more chance others will be spared in the future.

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IvyTwines2 · 25/11/2021 10:41

@foxgoosefinch, check out (if you haven't already) the Wikipedia page for Leuprorelin - in 2001 the manufacturers of Lupron were made to pay 875 MILLION dollars for 'fraudulent pricing and marketing conduct' . Then look at the Lupron Protocol - Lupron pushed as the 'miracle treatment' for Autism. And when that racket fell apart...

In 5 years' time, maybe less - in the last few weeks it seems like journalists are, at last, remembering what their job is supposed to involve - I expect to see some of the names on that page in one of those Adam Curtis-style 'how the hell did this happen' tv programmes.

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IvyTwines2 · 25/11/2021 10:46

I'll add that in the digital age, it'll be so much easier to do the Orwellian information-wipes for those outlets, news organisations, media groups, blue tickers who once supported this. You won't need Cousin Greg going to the basement with a shredder.

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ArabellaScott · 25/11/2021 10:55

I am thinking today of the 17 year old girls sent from Scotland to England for double mastectomies to treat what is emphatically not a mental illness.

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FindTheTruth · 25/11/2021 11:03

Was this broadcast on Swedish national TV?
What's the reaction in Sweden?

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MarshmallowSwede · 25/11/2021 11:13

There are many many more children affected by this. This does not even scratch the surface of this scandal. I expect that more and more will come out and many will lose their job and some perhaps be prosecuted.

This is a direct consequence of our self ID laws. It’s unsuitable.

Many people think Swedes are so open minded that we just go along with anything, but most people in Sweden don’t agree with this. It’s not that we are transphobic, but we understand science and biology. We will leave you to it if you’re not harming anyone, but as you can see due to the rabid TRA and illogical self ID laws we now have children who are basically suffering from sterilization and long term health conditions.

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Doubletoilandtrouble · 25/11/2021 11:17

I don’t live in Sweden. It dropped on SVT play yesterday (BBC player equivalent) so I assume it was aired then.

Sweden had it first ever female prime minister appointed Tues/Wed who then proceeded to resign yesterday (after less then a day in office). The papers are kind of preoccupied….

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jellyfrizz · 25/11/2021 11:17

@Whatwouldscullydo

The sooner its realised that the real transphobia is thinking that trans people and children are entitled to substandard care compared to everyone else.

You cant simultaneously claim something is the right course of treatment then shut down everything that lists side effects ts or problems.

Even calpol has side effects. Nothing is without side effects. Even things that are meant to he good for us can also harm/kill us.

There is no medical treatment on earth that free of any negative consequences. We acknowledge them we should acknowledge this.

Nothing is going to get better if we can't look at it.

Please repost of this comes out with subtitles

Totally agree.

Real trans acceptance would be accepting people for who they are, their journey to get there and the difficulties they are facing now. Not pretending that none of it ever happened and everyone is all on a biological spectrum anyway so it doesn’t matter. It’s erasing trans issues and probably makes it difficult for trans people to speak out about the health issues that come with medically transitioning.
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NecessaryScene · 25/11/2021 11:19

I don’t live in Sweden. It dropped on SVT play yesterday (BBC player equivalent) so I assume it was aired then.

Checking the schedules, it went out on SVT1 (equivalent of BBC1) at 20:00 yesterday.

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Doubletoilandtrouble · 25/11/2021 11:26

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