DP reported for Anti Trans at work

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dP is a retail manager and yesterday one of his student weekend staff asked if the company will follow M&S and allow staff to show their pronouns . He replied that he didn't know but suspected that not many people will want to do it and will most definitely not be forced. The worker said that as a CIS man he is privileged and should understand gender rights better . He asked what she meant by CIS and she said that he was not a trans man , he stated he was a man and she has went away , told other staff that he is anti-trans and also emailed HR.
To say he is pissed off is an understatement but he now expects to have to explain himself at work. He has said to me that surely he gets to decide what how he describes himself and i agree. Can anything happen to him?

Hopefully his colleagues will just roll their eyes and ignore this person's input.

From what you have said- no. Unless he was rude/ aggressive in how he spoke to her rather than what he said.

Maya's case gave gender critical beliefs protection so in theory no. As long as he isn't going around harassing trans people at work.

Theory and practice are two different things though so I think it will depend whether the company has gone down the stonewall rabbit hole or not.

I suspect that the student might be labouring under a mistaken understanding of what HR is for: www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20211022-is-hr-ever-really-your-friend
I have no idea of how the individual person in HR dealing with it will react - but broadly speaking they are not substitute parents.

he is very laid back and reasonable so wouldn't have been aggressive or rude , usually bends over backwards to keep everyone happy.
@AngelicInnocentngelic looking at some stuff on their internal staff site they have a big push on D&I but probably not quite Stonewall levels.

Well she is being incredibly transphobic to have a) assumed his gender and b) misgendered him so I think he needs to take this up with HR himself. The company will want to come down hard on transphobia.

Given (presumeably) he is well established in his career with a track record of not being a git then a "he said, she said" stand off with the work experience kid should only have one outcome. If I were him though I might seriously consider getting a bodycam to avoid misconstruction of any further encounters.

Just because he doesn't think many people would want to wear pronoun badges, does not make him 'anti-trans'. Clearly he has been fortunate enough to not be exposed to gender identity IDEOLOGY (= a crazy non-scientific belief) at work yet.
The Maya Forstater case ruling protects the common sense view that there are 2 sexes : www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57426579
You or he might want to read 'Trans' by Helen Joyce to understand what has been going 'under the radar' without the electorate's consent.

Ah yes. That well know tactic for persuading people to help, understand and support your cause - reporting them to HR if you don’t immediately agree.

@MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry

Well she is being incredibly transphobic to have a) assumed his gender and b) misgendered him so I think he needs to take this up with HR himself. The company will want to come down hard on transphobia.

This is honestly a good reply for your DP to use.

Sex Matters guidance is key here. Look at the relevant resources and posts:

sex-matters.org/

sex-matters.org/?s=work+pronouns

@MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry

Well she is being incredibly transphobic to have a) assumed his gender and b) misgendered him so I think he needs to take this up with HR himself. The company will want to come down hard on transphobia.

This ^ He defines himself as a man, not a cis man. She needs to accept this.

@dropthevipers

Given (presumeably) he is well established in his career with a track record of not being a git then a "he said, she said" stand off with the work experience kid should only have one outcome. If I were him though I might seriously consider getting a bodycam to avoid misconstruction of any further encounters.

Presumably a joke? Don't do this!!

Actually, no. These people believe manifest nonsense so can hardly be regarded as good faith players.

1. It goes against trans orgs guidance to:

1. assume gender
2. not respect anyone's gender identity
3. do anything that might make a person feel pushed to out themselves as trans

Pretty solid ground he's on.

In fact if anyone has done things wrong it's her.

I hate stuff like this. The world has gone mad with all this popularity of trans talk etc.

This trans stuff is getting out of control, it is also a complete load of shit from a medical and scientific position.

I’ll take a punt at her being one of the less productive team members - this will be a handy get out of jail free card for him/her if subject to a disciplinary in the future - “Oh, OP’s DP doesn’t like me because they’re anti-trans and I reported them, and now they’re trying to get rid of me”

There are idiots like this in many workplaces, but particularly (in past experience as a retail manager) amongst student part timers.

I think you might need legal advice on this. What he needs to be careful of is not being bated to say something, either by someone saying something pretty provocative or by persuasion.

The one thing I would say though is that the other employee misgendered him. If they query that, say that 'cis' is a gender (according to them), so they need to abise by their own ideology and not assume someone's gender (which they clearly did this time).

I think that if your partner was a middle-aged woman, then she would be in danger of losing her job.

As a man however I doubt there will be any repercussions.

Imagine going up to your boss and start telling them their ‘privileged’. If anything she needs to be spoken to about her attitude.

This offensive 'cis' stuff must be stopped now.

If a trans person expects the right to identify how they wish (and I'm not saying that they shouldn't), then they must also pay other members of the community that same very basic respect of allowing them to do the same - and definitely not simply assume. Unless they proudly regard themselves as the phobic bigots, of course....

There was a good recent thread about a similar work situation - does anyone remember some search terms for it?

she is being anti because some people may consider themselves to have fluid gender & as such to force them into defining themselves as being a specific gender is anti (trans? or whatever
aka tie them up in notes
& referring born males & females as cis is: irritating, demeaning (because its meant to be an insult however it is described) & also being forced to display ones pronoun is chauvinistic.

My husband once helped a female colleague move some heavy boxes
She reported him to HR for being sexist stating that she didn’t need help and the only reason why he did it was because he didn’t think she was strong enough as a woman, this resulted in him getting a written warning

The world has gone crazy