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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The de-radicalization of an anti-trans activist

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malloo · 19/11/2021 07:20

rabble.ca/lgbtiq/the-de-radicalization-of-an-anti-trans-activist/

This is interesting, some hints and tips for anyone looking for a route out of being part of extremist gender critical hate groups Grin. Worth reading the whole thing but below are a few excerpts.

This nascent anti-trans movement is known as “Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminism” (or “TERF”) to its opponents and some neutral observers. To its proponents, however, the movement is more commonly described as “gender critical feminism”: a euphemistic rebranding of trans-exclusionary politics that tries to pass it off as something more respectable and enlightened than it is.For my part, I will use “gender critical” here to emphasize that, no matter what name it goes by, the movement is transphobic to its core.

Already, gender critical feminism has its apostates: people who initially participated in anti-trans activism, sometimes intensively, but have since desisted.

These “ex-gender criticals” are rarely profiled. De-transitioners (people who begin but later stop gender transitioning, sometimes becoming anti-trans activists themselves) figure much more prominently in the media discourse on transgender rights.

(So-called gender criticals themselves are to thank for this. They like to bandy de-transitioners around as proof that trans people’s experiences of their gender is not “real”; that trans-affirming medical care is too easy to access; and, that people can, in the end, be rescued from “transgenderism.”)

The relative absence of ex-gender criticals from the public consciousness does a disservice to trans people and our allies.

Trans-inclusive feminists have much to learn from the experiences of ex-GCers. For one thing, the trans-exclusionary movement is not nearly as solid as it might appear from the outside. It is possible for even hardcore members to join the cause of trans inclusion.

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The making of a transphobe
It was the fallout from trans woman Jessica Yaniv’s unsuccessful campaign to force aestheticians to wax her genitalia that set Alicia Hendley on the path to radicalization.

She still considered herself a trans ally in January 2019 when she connected with Morgane Oger, then the vice president of the B.C. New Democratic Party. Allegations were circulating that Yaniv had engaged in predatory behaviour online: in at least one instance, targeting a twelve-year-old girl for sexual harassment. Hendley, a sexual assault survivor herself, was concerned.

Oger suggested she try to identify some of Yaniv’s other alleged victims. So Hendley reached out to Irish transphobe Graham Linehan.

True, she and the gender criticals on Twitter had not gotten along in the past. “I saw them as transphobic and bigoted,” Hendley explained to me. “The GCers disliked me, and I disliked them. A lot of insults were tossed about.”

But the gender criticals were the ones talking about Yaniv the most — to their mind, Yaniv’s behaviour confirmed their worst fears about trans women to be true. Surely, then, a gender critical as prominent as Linehan could connect Hendley with the right people.

The road to hatred isn’t necessarily paved with hatred. It wasn’t for Hendley, whose descent into the bowels of anti-trans activism was as much a trauma response as anything else.

Linehan referred her to others in the gender-critical movement, and Hendley quickly found common ground.

The GCers speculated that Yaniv might not be a trans woman at all, just a man abusing gender self-identification to prey on vulnerable (cis) women and girls. Hendley found this possibility terrifying.

Perhaps the man who assaulted her could do this, too. Perhaps he could do this to victimize her daughter.

Radicalization is a highly personal and individual process. That is one of the reasons it is so difficult to combat. But it often flows from the unsatisfied needs that lead people to seek fulfillment in extremist movements and ideologies in the first place. There could be a need to heal from some earlier trauma, for example, and to feel safe from further victimization.

The transphobic, erroneous claim that permitting gender self-identification exposes women and girls to male violence stoked Hendley’s fears. Joining the gender criticals in their crusade against the rights of trans women in turn gave her a way to resolve them.
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Pandemic school closures meant Hendley’s children were at home much more than before. Her focus turned to providing them with the all-day supervision and care they required. Protecting “sex-based rights” began to seem less urgent.

She picked up a new hobby, learning German, and found she would rather spend her free time on that.
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“We were one group-think,” Hendley explained to me. “An echo chamber, a hive mind, with our mission to be ‘protecting the sex-based rights of girls and women’ (that meant cis).”

It’s wrong — and more than a little counterproductive — to assume that the people who join, or even found, hate groups do so because they lack intelligence. Hendley herself holds a doctorate in clinical psychology from the University of Windsor.
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Rather than argue ad nauseum that trans exclusion is anti-feminist and contrary to Canadian values, trans women and our allies ought, instead, to mobilize ex-GCers like Hendley to combat transphobic hate. Whatever such people have done in the past, they are in a unique position now to pull others out of the gender-critical movement. That makes them invaluable allies.

Recruiting ex-GCers requires, of course, knowing that these Formers exist in the first place.

“I will forever be cognizant of the harm I caused,” she told me recently, “by initiating the creation of caWsbar (not to mention my subsequent involvement). That’s on me, and no one else.”

But it is not too late for her — or any of the increasing number of ex-GCers out there — to make amends.

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Weepingwillows12 · 19/11/2021 07:26

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Flangeosaurus · 19/11/2021 07:31

If you were hoping the mention of Jessica Yaniv might spark sympathy I’m afraid you’re barking up the wrong tree. Someone who repeatedly victimises women of colour for being unwilling to wax balls and invites children to topless pool parties is a predator through and through, no matter how they identify. Anyway, I suspect you’re unwilling to understand how spectacularly you’ve missed the point so I’ll just wish you an excellent day and hope that you’ll come to your senses at some point. Do give my regards to all the men you’re telling off for their views across different forums - I assume you wouldn’t just have targeted the women on mumsnet as being worthy of a telling off.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 19/11/2021 07:32

I think it’s mostly because she went back to being a good little woman at home, none of this bothering her pretty head with these things.

I had forgotten about Yaniv. Great to be reminded! Not sure this is the gotcha the author thinks!

EdgeOfACoin · 19/11/2021 07:34

Alicia's original article was discussed on this board at the time, wasn't it?

I still don't understand what actually changed her mind - what were the specific arguments that led her to conclude that transwomen are women?

It's nice that she learnt German as a hobby, though.

DogDaysNeverEnd · 19/11/2021 07:36

Read the article and not clear why the ex-gcer changed her mind? Seems to boils down to - bored of her mates and learned German? Fortunately I already have a smattering of German so maybe I'm safe. Oh, and identify politics. It's increasingly frustrating to be bundled in with a political persuasion because of a single issue. I feel like it's ok to be a GC socialist, but apparently I'm wrong.

OneSugar1 · 19/11/2021 07:37

Yup, just give these uppity women more ‘women’s work’ so they don’t have time to think about it.

yestheyhavethesamedad · 19/11/2021 07:38

Hasn't the reason changed since the original article, i thought she changed her mind because one of her children told her she was a bigot and she didn't want her child to dislike her , wonder if they decided that came across badly .

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 19/11/2021 07:43

What EdgeOfACoin said.

I'm afraid anyone hoping to discourage me from caring about women's rights and safety with language learning is totally out of luck though. I already manage to mess around with language textbooks and duolingo and find time to think about loopholes in governmental policies.

BloodinGutters · 19/11/2021 07:44

The writer appears to be confusing gender critical with being critical of people who are transgender.

Gender critical isn’t gender identity critical, it’s just critical of stereotypes that mean people feel forced to transition to be themselves.

Why is there such a basic misunderstanding of language? Maybe it’s just more intentional misuse and obfuscation, but imho it reads like the writer simply doesn’t understand the meaning of the words.

EdgeOfACoin · 19/11/2021 07:44

If you were hoping the mention of Jessica Yaniv might spark sympathy I’m afraid you’re barking up the wrong tree. Someone who repeatedly victimises women of colour for being unwilling to wax balls and invites children to topless pool parties is a predator through and through, no matter how they identify

Jessica Yaniv also asked online about helping ten-year-olds to insert their tampons. Yaniv envisaged a situation where they saw a tampon string hanging out of a young girl in a changing room and wanted to offer unsolicited advice.

I'm not sure why GC feminists being anti-Yaniv is a bad thing.

If anyone is unfamiliar with this charming character, I invite them to Google Yaniv (who has since adopted the name Jessica Simpson, I believe.)

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/11/2021 07:45

Is this poster celebrating Jessica Yaniv? An open predator of children? An open racist who specifically targets women of colour running small businesses? Grim.
OP, your post is not making the points you seem to believe it is Confused . In fact, precisely the opposite.

malloo · 19/11/2021 07:46

I know, the idea that being stuck at home looking after kids made her decide that sex based rights didn't matter was pretty funny. In fact the article made lots of good points about why the GC position is correct! I just thought it was interesting to see how someone who seems quite articulate actually justifies the TRA position to themselves.

Flangeosaurus - eh? Was that aimed at me?

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1Week · 19/11/2021 07:49

That's incoherent.

You seem to be saying that getting a new hobby stops people caring about their rights?
Well, maybe, if you're the performative sort who only 'cares' as a pastime til something shinier comes along.

Luckily, most people are not as shallow as a coat of paint.

EdgeOfACoin · 19/11/2021 07:50

Previous discussion about Alicia Hendley's Damascene conversion:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3556762-Feminist-Current-I-supported-Trans-ideology-until-I-couldnt-any-more

It dates from 2019. I think she's the TRA poster girl.

FetchezLaVache · 19/11/2021 07:53

What the heck even was that??

A really good case for being GC, followed by

"then I got a bit bored of 'protecting the sex-based rights of girls and women' and took up German instead".

I was waiting for the compelling argument, which when it came seemed to be basically 'be kind'.

drum123 · 19/11/2021 07:59

Malloo, I'm assuming you don't agree with the premise of the article? You haven't made that clear 😊

334bu · 19/11/2021 07:59

Weird article which gives no explanation for the changes in this person's opinions.
However, learning a new skill is always a positive, unless of course in discovering that the word girl has no sex in the German language, this has convinced her that girls should not be allowed any sex based rights.

MrsWooster · 19/11/2021 08:00

I’ve got a >600 day French streak on Duolingo, and so far haven’t haven’t encountered ‘les hommes peuvent devenir des femmes’ or ‘la maltraitance des enfants est ok dans une robe’ so it must be a feature of the German Duo.

NotTerfNorCis · 19/11/2021 08:02

I've read a few of these 'ex-GC' articles. (Come to think of it, a couple might have been about this same person.) They never convert to the genderist side because some new logical argument occurs to them, or some powerful evidence comes to light. It's either because:

They fall out with other members of the group (seems to be the case here).

Other people keep telling them they're bad for being gender critical, and they cave to pressure.

Oddly enough, this article reads as though it was written by someone who was pretty radical themselves:

If trans women are to enjoy any kind of lasting safety, the organizations dedicated to excluding them from women’s spaces and, indeed, Canadian society at large will need to be dismantled. The anti-trans “gender critical” networks that support these hate groups will need to be deconstructed. Whole communities will need to be deradicalized.

It is not too late for [Hendley] — or any of the increasing number of ex-GCers out there — to make amends.

Doubletoilandtrouble · 19/11/2021 08:02

twentytwowords.com/trans-activist-jessica-yaniv-claims-gynecologist-refused-to-see-her/

a little article about Yaniv, including the wish of Yaniv to have their lady testicles waxed by religious, ethnic minority women, how yaniv was keen to help young girls with tampax etc. How mean of GC women not to support yaniv in this Hmm

I remember finding out about yaniv on FWR. That was when I realised that I was GC.

drwitch · 19/11/2021 08:04

I don't think op agrees with the piece! (Before people they into them any more)

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 19/11/2021 08:06

Last time I came across her, it seemed to me that the crucial point was not that she had changed her mind on the reasoning, but she had got sick of explaining the reasoning to people who thought she was a bigot. In particular, her family.

It was much easier to stop thinking about ideological objections and go back to being a member of her old social circles.

I can understand that- it's a very human trait, especially for someone who was campaigning under her real name, in Canada? That's a lot of pressure.

malloo · 19/11/2021 08:07

drum123 Malloo, I'm assuming you don't agree with the premise of the article? You haven't made that clear 😊

No I definitely don't! Sorry, I thought it would be obvious Blush

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Sophoclesthefox · 19/11/2021 08:09

It’s no more plausible than Amy/Beau Dyess’ “I was promised a lesbian wife and didn’t get one” turning away from gender critical feminism, is it?

Imagine thinking that going to bat for J Yaniv would make your story seem more believable Grin but you do you, hun!

I’m sure it will be lapped up in certain credulous circles.

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