Transgender athletes should not have to lower testosterone to compete, IOC says as it changes guidelines

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news.sky.com/story/transgender-athletes-should-not-have-to-lower-testosterone-to-compete-ioc-says-as-it-changes-guidelines-12470620
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Bugger, Im doubting myself now. Can I change to China?

I think that means we’re going to quickly see pressure to reclassify people with dsd’s as people with gender identities.

Quite probably ☹️🤯

@MrsTerryPratchett

OK, Im having a fiver on the US before anyone else nabs it.

Can I get a fiver on Iran?

Thank you. My country (the US) has been and still is full of all sorts of crazies. But our female athletes lost out to the East Germans, too.

It’s honestly so unbelievable that the IOC cares so little for fairness and safety in women’s sports.

However the IOC says ultimately it is up to individual sports to decide their rules – and they can still impose restrictions on trans women entering the female category if needed to ensure fair and safe competition.

Such decisions, it adds, should be based on “robust and peer-reviewed science … which demonstrates a consistent, unfair and disproportionate competitive advantage and/or an unpreventable risk to the safety of the athletes.”

So if they feel this robust and peer reviewed science does not already exist, does that mean we await women suffering life changing or life ending accidents before we can stop this? We await current day martyrs to save female sport?

Horrific, bunch of misogynists hiding behind 'inclusivity' to feel good about themselves and screw women over at the same time. It's a win win for them.

It’s such a cop out. We also divide sport by age, adults and children. You wouldn’t expect children to have to prove (for every sport) that adults have no advantage in order to stop adults competing in their events. It’s the same principle but for sex.

Perhaps we need to start up the Hera Games again, a la Ancient Greece?

A fiver on Afghanistan. I am grimly aware they've already killed or chased off much of their upcoming female talent.

We've had several votes for the same countries - you all get one country each!

Shame someone's already picked Russia. I can see Vlad finding this hilarious and already getting the blokes in place for Paris 2024

@LigandBrigand

And what does this mean?

”Whilst the guidelines also apply to athletes with difference of sex development (DSD), such as Caster Semenya, World Athletics confirmed to the Guardian that it would not implement the changes which would allow the 400m runner to compete without lowering her testosterone levels.”

Is that saying they will require DSD athletes to lower T but not transwomen? Am I understanding that right? How on earth does that makes any sense? How can they justify that?

World Athletics is the sporting body for athletics. So they can have their own, stricter criteria.

The problem is that instead of the IOC taking a stand against cheating and that covering all Olympic sports, we now have a many headed hyrda of all the various sporting bodies who may individually be quite captured or sane.

But the IOC has set up the terms as favouring inclusion of transpeople into their gender identity sporting category rather than by sex, and seem to have placed the burden of proof on the sports to decide why not to if they don't want to, rather than it being up to those who wanted trans people into that category to prove that they would not have a disproportionate advantage.

World Athletics is the sporting body for athletics. So they can have their own, stricter criteria.

Right, thanks of course. I missed that being from World Athletics not an IOC quote. Thank fuck. It is of course defensible, so long as it isn’t the same body having double standards.

I suppose the individual sports will have all the expertise readily available to fight this and it won’t matter that the IOC who seem to be hugely corrupt will self implode.

Perhaps it was an instance of the entryism we’ve seen elsewhere. The IOC was seen as the top target for capture. But actually while they make lot of flashy noise appear to have a lot of prestige with the media and public and for the UK funding structure, they aren’t the be all and end all. I know for some sports like cycling for eg, the World Champs are a much bigger deal.

If individual bodies will hold the rational line, like World Athletics and the rugby one, then eventually the IOC will just make themselves look stupid and irrelevant (again)

We need some of these crazy people to be sat down in a big press conference broadcast worldwide and demanded to answer the question "Why do we have separate men's and women's events in the first place?" - with no fudging or sidestepping allowed - asked 14 times (like Michael Howard) if necessary.

I'd be very interested to hear what response they could possibly give that wouldn't completely blow out of the water any 'justification' they might offer for allowing anybody identifying as a woman to compete as an actual woman.

If they don't have the courage of their convictions to proclaim that separate sex-based categories should now be scrapped and it become a free-for-all for everybody, they need to spell it right out - with actual logical reasons - why they see the need for separate events in the first place and what clear markers they believe would be expected to separate the two categories.

As a PP suggested, although I have never been and never will be even mediocre (much less elite) athlete material, even I could win in the under 5s weightlifting or the over 95s 100m.

Seems like I just need to re-identify myself as necessary and that's me the undisputed champion. PM me if you want my autograph, common people.

So basically as long as male athletes aren't very good (as in not good enough to win the gold medal in a major international women's event), they are fine to win anything and everything anywhere else.

We now have to hope that some of them at least turn out to be quite good. We need a few massive events to be won by obvious males, in order for change to happen.

The Semenya comment is in relation to the fact that the Olympic 800m event in Rio had three males on the podium forcing the Athletics Associations to invoke extra rules for middle distance events.

We need three males on an Olympic podium to force a sporting body to act. We need two males in a Wimbledon Women's tennis final, four males on a women's 100 m relay Olympic team, half a dozen males on a team that wins the Women's Football World Cup.

The odd mediocre male (in archery, volleyball, weightlifting, cycling) isn't enough. We need some better ones to open a few eyes.

We need some of these crazy people to be sat down in a big press conference broadcast worldwide and demanded to answer the question "Why do we have separate men's and women's events in the first place?" - with no fudging or sidestepping allowed - asked 14 times (like Michael Howard) if necessary.

I would similarly like a number of these idiots to answer the questions, "how are babies made?". I'll chip in some of my Iran winnings to hire Paxman.

Just when you hope common sense will prevail. You are disappointed.

@FlyingOink

We've had several votes for the same countries - you all get one country each!

Shame someone's already picked Russia. I can see Vlad finding this hilarious and already getting the blokes in place for Paris 2024

Wouldn't surprise me if Vlad found an event he could compete in and win himself (as a woman obviously).

I wonder if Caitlyn Jenner would fancy a few more medals.

The media should be all over this. Injustice in sport due to racism regularly makes headline news (not sports new, news news). So should this. Why isn't it? Why are women seen as so fucking unimportant? It's a scandal.

Silence from the media and yet we have had a week of racism ( and now anti Semitism from the accuser) in cricket. Important story but so is this and not a word. Shows the disparity between male and female sport reporting and how female sport does not matter.

Maybe we should be emailing bbc to ask them to cover this now they have stepped away from stonewall to remain impartial.

@SomepeopleareTERFSgetoverit

I wonder if Caitlyn Jenner would fancy a few more medals.

Caitlyn is actually against this - and they hate Caitlyn for because of that.

@BloodinGutters

What about a gender fluid or non binary transman?

Are they allowed to keep taking testosterone and compete in the women’s section?

Of course not, that would be cheating.

@sashagabadon

Silence from the media and yet we have had a week of racism ( and now anti Semitism from the accuser) in cricket. Important story but so is this and not a word. Shows the disparity between male and female sport reporting and how female sport does not matter.

Exactly. When is the media going to join the dots and call out the institutional misogyny in sport? And the impact on women and girls participation in sport. And the funding scandal (elite girls football training cancelled in Covid, elite boys not, the female BMXer who lost her sponsorship, then went on to win gold in Olympics). It's all misogyny and should be given as much attention as racism in sport, in my opinion. Women weren't even allowed to do many sports competitively until recently, yet it's all ok, no problem. Give us a televised enquiry please.

THIS IS RIDICULOUS!

I can't take it seriously, I just keep laughing about it! The tide is SERIOUSLY turning on this and they double down! Brilliant for parading the emperors nudity so blatantly! There MUST be bribery involved, has to be, this is an embarrassment!

Has anyone taken China yet? If not, bagsy.