Harrop MPTS thread 2

[Personwithrage]

Starting the new thread

A doctor who needs a lot of external validation is a dangerous doctor especially if working with a vulnerable population.

It's also interesting that, as a gay man in the still very homophobic world of medicine, he isn't advocating for other gay men but for a group of which he isn't a member. I would say that suggests low self-worth

As a white cis gay man he has privilege though right? /s

@BoreOfWhabylon

I just googled "adrian harrop tweets" and clicked on Images

Good grief!

The fruit farmers have a photograph of Harrop in in drag. I'm not sure if it was for Halloween or work but it certainly enlived my morning.

From today:

There is a disagreement between GP and RD about the advice given yesterday.

Chair discusses second issue for GP, in relation to good character, he has admitted intimidating to A. Therefore no ability to say no propensity to intimidate

He has admitted being intimidating, a GP has admitted to being intimidating, jfc.

Also a comment about AH having no criminal convictions, hmm. I'd like to add 'yet' to that.

@Lovelyricepudding

A doctor who needs a lot of external validation is a dangerous doctor especially if working with a vulnerable population.

I agree. I manage a lot of doctors (if manage is the word - holding a chair in the centre of the circus ring, as the lions close in, feels more like it 😉). Most doctors with a god complex can be managed successfully, as long as the manager is prepared to be tough and uncompromising (where appropriate) with them. They don't tend to be deceitful so, if they are planning to defy you, they are usually upfront about it. And they tend to be predictable. Someone like AH is unpredictable and therefore much harder.

I also agree with your point about external validation. Part of being a doctor is saying no to inappropriate requests, and that can be really hard. It is a million times easier to give someone the sleeping tablets/antibiotics/painkillers that they want than to have a fraught discussion about why those things may not be appropriate in some cases. It's much nicer to end a consultation with a happy patient than one who storms out, threatening a complaint. I'd be particularly concerned about a doctor who seeks external validation working in a contested area of medicine like trans health. We have heard from lots of detransistioners about their bitter regrets that HCPs didn't challenge them more.

people like E are sensitive and they suffer and don't understand the person I actually am

Was he really going with "it was only bantz" and "She doesn't understand me"

I just can't believe it.

Really interesting analysis MissLucy. Thanks for your insight.

I can’t find the twitter account that is following this. Can anyone point me in the direction? It will brighten an otherwise gloomy day...

@KittenKong

I can’t find the twitter account that is following this. Can anyone point me in the direction? It will brighten an otherwise gloomy day...

Google Adrian Harrop.

It will come up.
Something like Tribunal tweets

@KittenKong

I can’t find the twitter account that is following this. Can anyone point me in the direction? It will brighten an otherwise gloomy day...

Here Kitten

twitter.com/tribunaltweets/with_replies

I’m getting frustrated now. Seems to have been accepted by the tribunal that E called AH a faggot, and they most certainly did not.

I manage a lot of doctors (if manage is the word - holding a chair in the centre of the circus ring, as the lions close in, feels more like it 😉).

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow Thanks for this mental image. It made me laugh. I expect you spend much of the day muttering ‘FFS!’ under your breath and occasionally wishing you ran a poodle breeding kennel* instead.

• Insert fantasy low human contact job change of choice.

@Zebracat

I’m getting frustrated now. Seems to have been accepted by the tribunal that E called AH a faggot, and they most certainly did not.

And that is why Harrop didn't want the witnesses to give evidence

Made the mistake of googling and the first image it brought up was a tweet by AH crowing over some children's Christmas being ruined by their fathers adultery. Really really unkind and unpleasant

@mammajustkilledagnat

And a stethoscope worn at all times, even in bed with jammies on.

Oh yes, that's a must 😆

On a more serious note, I wanted to echo what @GertrudeKerfuffle said...
I spend a lot of time reading, but don't comment much. Since learning via MN the situation women are facing I've been taking a lot of interest. Thank you to all those of you who work hard to bring what is happening to our attention

Yes, thanks everyone 😊 Although I only lurk on this board I've been taking everything in, and it's been a valuable education 😎

@KittenKong

I can’t find the twitter account that is following this. Can anyone point me in the direction? It will brighten an otherwise gloomy day...

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

I'd like to add my thanks too, MissLucy for all your brilliantly helpful wok on this thread; navigating it, morbidly fascinating as it is, would have been much harder without you, Motorina and so many other amazing contributors.

I had a really horrible thought, though. Someone upthread (can't remember who, apologies!) pointed out that the next stage of this process, should Moronboy wish to appeal, is the High Court. This, I would imagine, is a seriously potent weapon in a usual disciplinary process. When you're dealing with a doctor who a) is sane; b)doesn't want to throw away a career he's worked ten years for and c) doesn't wish to be pilloried in newsprint and SM.

Problem is, our hero is none of these things, and if he has gamed this through.. perhaps High Court was always his endgame? And I don't imagine the GMC would relish the prospect of Haddock giving unsanctioned interviews during a High Court action, leading to questions about how this dangerous idiot wasn't weeded out at a much earlier stage of the proceedings?

(I know he'd be an absolute moron to give interviews should that happen, but he's got previous..)

@mammajustkilledagnat

And a stethoscope worn at all times, even in bed with jammies on.

Oh shit I bought my niece a stethoscope and she wore it to write her final essay before med school.

I hope I have not jinxed her in some way to become a pretentious prick. I don't think she wears it to bed though so maybe there is hope for her.

@Triangul8ed

Waiting for someone to make the film version of the Harropiad.

I'd crowdfund for a Graham Lineham black comedy on the Harrop affair.

HIs arrogance is astounding. Just imagining if I found myself in a similar position, I would be begging the panel for forgiveness. He still doesn't seem to understand what he's done.

Work, dammit, not wok! Now I'm hungry...

It seems to be arguments about E kept provoking him by tweeting about him (possibly the answer to that was to stop giving E things to tweet about) and H's 'right of reply'.

Qu: is it ok for a GP to behave like this if someone's being annoying/being wrong on the internet?

How about if they're really annoying a lot and keep answering you back?

@Lovelyricepudding

A doctor who needs a lot of external validation is a dangerous doctor especially if working with a vulnerable population.

That's a point I hadn't thought of before, but yes, absolutely. He needs to be able to put the wellbeing of his patients first, and act in their best interests, and his need for validation muddies that.

Seem to be now claiming Freedon of Speech as defence for his behaviour.

Does everyone know the identity of E? Please could someone DM me if able? I’ve just returned to twitter after a long break so don’t know who this is. AH’s arrogance and attempts to garner sympathy have enraged me.

By accepting and repeating the incorrect assertion about E (who has already been effectively doxed to the public at large by Harrop running to Vice), the tribunal has potentially compromised her safety.

The GMC don’t seem to be looking after witnesses very well - they allow them to be silenced and have now put them in danger.

Nice work.