US professor wants to "rebrand" pedophilia

[andyoldlabour]

Allyn Walker, an assistant professor at Old Dominion University, wishes to see pedophiles "rebranded" as "Minor Attracted Persons" - MAP's.
I doubt this will come as a surprise for many of us on this board, having seen the Challenor case (and others) unfurl.

thefederalist.com/2021/11/15/transgender-professor-at-old-dominion-university-rebrands-pedophiles-as-minor-attracted-persons/

I don't get why they need destigmatising

@PingedPotato

I don't get why they need destigmatising

Nonces gotta nonce?

@PingedPotato

If it is destigmatised then people are more likely to seek help.

The problem is that there is a fine line between destignmatising and accepting. We cannot let it cross that line.

They should feel completely secure seeking help for their urges. People, mostly, dont choose to be sexually attracted to children. Most people who are were sexually abused as children themselves. They shouldn't feel stigmatised because it prevents them seeking help.

The problem starts when it starts to be seen as acceptable, or just an alternative lifestyle or whatever phrases people come out with. There needs to be a strong, firmly held line that any acting in their urges (physical acts or viewing images) will come with heavy penalties. But being able to identify yourself as having this issue and seeking help should not come with stigma.

[quote ImUninsultable]@PingedPotato

If it is destigmatised then people are more likely to seek help.

The problem is that there is a fine line between destignmatising and accepting. We cannot let it cross that line.

They should feel completely secure seeking help for their urges. People, mostly, dont choose to be sexually attracted to children. Most people who are were sexually abused as children themselves. They shouldn't feel stigmatised because it prevents them seeking help.

The problem starts when it starts to be seen as acceptable, or just an alternative lifestyle or whatever phrases people come out with. There needs to be a strong, firmly held line that any acting in their urges (physical acts or viewing images) will come with heavy penalties. But being able to identify yourself as having this issue and seeking help should not come with stigma.[/quote]
The vast majority of us who were abused as children don’t grow up to be abusers.

It’s no fucking excuse for those who do.

Christ, someone should take a look at the profs hard drive immediately.
Rebranding just means some people are caught on the back foot and children will suffer.
Rebranding with such a soft wording will have others scratching their heads and again children will suffer.
If a peadophile wont get help because we call them a peadophile they will find ways out of getting help if they are called MAPs
Not that I believe any help would work.

@BloodinGutters

Can you quote where I said that most survivors of childhood abuse grow up into abusers?

And do you actually think that people with these urges should not seek help? Should they keep it quiet and secret and possibly become an offender?

If you think the safest option is for them to seek treatment, then how is that best achieved?

[quote ImUninsultable]@BloodinGutters

Can you quote where I said that most survivors of childhood abuse grow up into abusers?

And do you actually think that people with these urges should not seek help? Should they keep it quiet and secret and possibly become an offender?

If you think the safest option is for them to seek treatment, then how is that best achieved?[/quote]
I didn’t say you did.

I said most of us don’t, so there’s zero fucking excuse for those who do.

[quote ImUninsultable]@PingedPotato

If it is destigmatised then people are more likely to seek help.

The problem is that there is a fine line between destignmatising and accepting. We cannot let it cross that line.

They should feel completely secure seeking help for their urges. People, mostly, dont choose to be sexually attracted to children. Most people who are were sexually abused as children themselves. They shouldn't feel stigmatised because it prevents them seeking help.

The problem starts when it starts to be seen as acceptable, or just an alternative lifestyle or whatever phrases people come out with. There needs to be a strong, firmly held line that any acting in their urges (physical acts or viewing images) will come with heavy penalties. But being able to identify yourself as having this issue and seeking help should not come with stigma.[/quote]
This is totally incorrect to say most children who are abused grow up to be abusers.
Most children who are abused are girls for a start.
So please fuckoff with that shit get your fact straight.

Hmm, destigmatise or "treat" by way of a bullet in the head 🤔 tough choice.....

Then you really really dont understand anything about psychology.

The fact is most people handle trauma just fine. Awful awful things happen to us and most people handle it just fine.

The issue is helping the people who dont. Same as PTSD. Most people who suffer trauma do not suffer PTSD. Most people who suffer abuse do not become abusers.

But some people do. Some people have their minds totally changed. We need to find a way to encourage those people to seek help, to make themselves known to medical professionals. When we know about them, preventative measures are available to us. Which is much better than catching the ones who act after they've acted.

@Fariha31

Can you quote where I sais that most survivors of childhood abuse grow up to be abusers?

What has happened to logical thinking and reading comprehension when people read "..most who are (paedophiles) were abused as children." as "Most people who are abused as children are paedophiles (as adults)"?

Read twice, get angry once - or not at all.

On this rebranding idea, I have just one word to say, and it's PIE.

Of course it's better for people to seek help before they offend, but changing labels probably won't make any difference.

All about destabilisation of society's mores isn't it? That is the ultimate aim to make once was seen as something to be questioned, to be regarded as being needed to be treated as a mental health issue, as a paraphilia, as being ashamed of, has crossed over to this.

@NewlyGranny

Rebranding medical conditions actually does make a difference to people seeking help. Tale HIV for example. Used to be called GRID. People didnt want to seek help when they had the symptoms for that. Same goes for other diseases.

I'll admit this is different as it isnt a disease you catch which really shouldn't have any sort of negative thought connected to it in the first place. This is something entirely different. But the argument that rebranding to a less emotive name could help people come forward for help is quite solid.

Most people who are sexually attracted to children were abused children themselves?

Really??

How strange, you’d think in that case that paedophiles would be more commonly women than men, or pretty much equally split between the sexes.

But no. Surprise surprise, it’s The Men, isn’t it? Pretty much always. The ones who rape. The ones who abuse. The ones who are violent. And yes, the ones who abuse kids.

I simply don’t believe that, sadly.

I think the truth is far simpler, that men are far more unpleasant as a sex than we try to believe. Men are the problem, always have been, always will be.

There's plenty of evidence that Paedophiles will use every way possible to get contact with young people, and most don't want help. That evidence means the more this is downgraded, and it will be, the more opportunities will present themselves to Paedophiles. Any opportunity will be taken. We must take safeguarding as the absolute priority, anything other is a major dereliction of duty. Profession, theorise all you like but it doesn't change the facts

If it is destigmatised then people are more likely to seek help.

The problem is that there is a fine line between destignmatising and accepting. We cannot let it cross that line.

They should feel completely secure seeking help for their urges. People, mostly, dont choose to be sexually attracted to children. Most people who are were sexually abused as children themselves. They shouldn't feel stigmatised because it prevents them seeking help.

The problem starts when it starts to be seen as acceptable, or just an alternative lifestyle or whatever phrases people come out with. There needs to be a strong, firmly held line that any acting in their urges (physical acts or viewing images) will come with heavy penalties. But being able to identify yourself as having this issue and seeking help should not come with stigma.

I couldn’t agree more.

Surely if it were destigmatised, then more people would feel free to follow their urges?

Paedophiles always say they were abused as children to garner sympathy. Many also like to infiltrate survivors of sexual abuse support groups and get off on the stories they hear.

It's just another facet of their evil manipulative ways.

Most people who are sexually attracted to children were abused children themselves?

Really??

If as a child you have been raised with abuse from adults, you are going to grow up thinking it’s normal for adults to have relationships with children.

The majority of abusers you read about will have been abused as children themselves.
Obviously it doesn’t make it right and not all children who were abused turn out to be abusers as adults.

"Most people who are sexually attracted to children were abused children themselves?"

Honestly I hear this so many times. But I speak from personal experience, that in my case this is absolutely untrue. I would rather kill myself than be attracted to children. Most abused women I know, ensure that their children are aware of their bodies (from a very young age) and that no-one touches them in their private areas. I among many other sexual abuse survivors, never trust others around our children, because we never want them to go throughwhat we did. So I find the above comment, so strange and a little offensive.

I can’t remember the video but will see if I can find it. A psychiatrist was saying that it is actually not true that a lot of pedophiles were abused. It’s a very small percentage.

Pedophilia does not need to be de stigmatized.. some things are stigmatized for a reason. Some things are so abhorrent that they cannot and should not be destigmatized. Some things are so distasteful that no decent human would dare think they should not be shunned by any and everyone.

Remember when people were calling people crazy who said the next step in all of this social engineering would be to get people to be ok with paedophilia and to rebrand it as a harmless sexual orientation? And remember they called them crazy when they said that they would lobby so that pedophiles would get sympathy and say they need our understanding and should not be stigmatized.. does anyone remember that? Well here we are. Those people were not crazy. They saw where all of this was leading and knew it was indeed going to too irresistible for predators not to try to join in!

It was only a matter of time before the pedos were going to piggyback off of all this identity politics going on to say they are an oppressed, misunderstood group.

Sexual predators are exactly that.. predators. Predators go to great lengths to get at their prey. Why is everyone now surprised that pedophiles are coming out with nonsense to gain access to children.

People need to be extremely vocal and stand up against this.

I for one will not be using Map. They are predophiles and they should feel ashamed that they are attracted to children. I don’t care about their feelings. I don’t care if they have not offended or are remorseful. It is not right and it’s not ok and no amount of lobbying will ever get me to see their side.

@Gastonia

Surely if it were destigmatised, then more people would feel free to follow their urges?

This... The notion that these people will seek help if we give it a nice new fluffy sounding name is incomprehensible to me, frankly 🤷🏻‍♀️

ImUninsultable I had always heard that many child abusers had been advised as children themselves too.

However, I came across something recently suggesting that this was actually incorrect, or at least an extremely unreliable conclusion, due to having been arrived at by listening to the narratives of paedophiles who had been caught simply trotting it out because they knew it would gather some sympathy.

I wish I could remember where I was reading this but it was an interesting consideration of the evidence for that hypothesis (rather than a journalist opinion piece or similar). If I find it, I'll send it your way!