What proportion of male lesbians is too high?

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I saw this posted on Twitter yesterday. Many responses and quote tweets are saying "this is made up".

The thing is, we all know that any "lesbian" event now attracts men who say they are lesbians. So no-one would be surprised at say 1 out of 10 lesbians at.an event being male. It would be transphobic to complain.

But a claim of 9 out of 10 is too high, it obviously must be made up, according to responses. So even for supporters of trans ideology there is a level which is too high to maintain the idea that a space is lesbian.

So, now we know there's a "too high" proportion to maintain the pretence of a lesbian space, where that's only one lesbian, I was wondering what's the acceptable cutoff? 30%, 50%?

The tweet

45.8%.

It's like a gay bar. Everyone's allowed and there's no rules saying if you're straight or the wrong gender or whatever you can't come in.

Male lesbians - that would be a straight man. So if they are attracted to women, either because of sexual attraction or making women upset/scared gets them off, they will obviously be disappointed that few lesbians are at the event.

I think it has the potential to become more and more of a problem as lesbians catch on an start to avoid anything ostensibly aimed at them, but advertising “inclusiveness”.

Any man claiming to be a lesbian is too high

That is a straight male.

This is a stats/numbers issue really.
Boating holiday- so maybe 10 places or less (sailing?) then 9 being Trans except the lesbian woman commenting is not outside the realms of possibility. (And perhaps the activity is only appealing to a certain type. Maybe you need sailing qualifications/experience. Sailing is dominated by men and boys anyway).

So although really upsetting and frustrating for the boating woman I can see how this can be true. But stats misleading.

I wouldn't book on a lesbian only trip and never have. Because I like variety of people. I am in a UK based hobby group that has trips away and haven't been yet for this reason. And being stuck with a small group can be awful anyway as potential to dislike them all could be high (for other reasons) or they may dislike you. You always need an escape route!

Well there's no such thing as a male lesbian anyway. Just like theres no such this as a lady penis.

There is such a thing as males who don't respect boundaries and that is a huge problem that really needs to be addressed, but when we start talking about male lesbians all we're really doing is indulging a delusion and distracting from what is really happening.

You've got to wonder how many "male born lesbians" would consent to a sexual relationship with one of their actual peers my money is on close to zero

Men are not lesbians because lesbians are homosexual - adult human females attracted to other adult human females. Once a man is there it ceases to be lesbian only

Online at least, I get the impression many "lesbian" spaces are predominantly male. Check out the main "lesbian" sub on Reddit - r/ActualLesbians, for example. (If you dare).

It surely isn't surprising that such spaces could end up predominantly male - lesbians are a very small minority, and even if a males wanting to say they're lesbians are a small minority (of the majority of heterosexual males), it's not clear that they're going to be a significantly smaller minority than actual lesbians.

Doubly so when you reduce the number of lesbians turning up by excluding all those who aren't happy having men in their group.

I cal well believe "men who want to be in lesbian spaces" outnumber "lesbians who enjoy being in lesbian spaces containing men role-playing as lesbians".

A threshold of zero permitted.

If they accuse the poster of lies, ask them to Google Michfest and tell all why it is no longer in operation.

Why would any homosexual person wish to socialise with a person who denies their right to be homosexual?

So even for supporters of trans ideology there is a level which is too high to maintain the idea that a space is lesbian.

That's not what they're saying though. I believe they'd say they'd be fine with it being 100% transbian (even though I don't think most be), but they're denying that that would ever happen, because trans people are such a small tiny oppressed minority.

"Why would any homosexual person wish to socialise with a person who denies their right to be homosexual?"

The ultimate act of homophobia, leading to a final course of coercion/rape?
Not the homosexual person obviously.

Obviously I think that no men should be in lesbian spaces, men cannot be lesbians.

My interest was in the "we don't believe it" responses. They refuse to believe it because even people who insist some men can be lesbians can see that most of a lesbian group being men is not a lesbian group in any sense.

They don't believe what they proclaim to believe.

Why are they saying 'it never happened' rather than holding it up as an example of inclusiveness and condemning Alison for failing to note that they are all women? It is an example of an almost complete inclusion so surely a 'good thing'?

Actually it is interesting that when the things campaigners have demanded happen they then deny it’s happening.

Whilst I’m sure some true believers are delighted it’s clear there are those spouting “TWAW” etc who may not actually buy it at all.

It will be n + 1 as always.

@Lovelyricepudding

Why are they saying 'it never happened' rather than holding it up as an example of inclusiveness and condemning Alison for failing to note that they are all women? It is an example of an almost complete inclusion so surely a 'good thing'?

It's like the WiSpa incident. They deny it ever happened rather than defend their own ideology.

Male lesbians. I can’t believe we even have to discuss it being a thing. My friend was showing me tiktok live a few days ago and as she scrolled through there were 3 ‘male lesbians’, all separate accounts getting quite aggressive with people asking questions. Lots of people calling the ones asking questions, transphobic. It’s madness but absolutely frightening.

The point is that many believers insist that all this trans stuff won't affect women at all. It's one of their go-to arguments. They claim this is about "trans rights" and women will never notice a thing, cos there are such an infinitesimally small number of trans people, so there's "no conflict".

And how could it cause particular problems in areas where men naturally outnumber women - eg prisons, various hobbies and careers, seeking female sex partners? Preposterous.

There's no such thing as male lesbians.

With regard to that tweet, I don’t believe most of the “lesbians” there were male.

However, men have always had to occupy the space where they aren’t allowed so it would have been highly probable that there was at least one there

Male lesbians….I’ve heard it all now!