Hung out to dry in Ireland

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I just feel like self ID was introduced with zero thought or consultation. So now we're all supposed to sit here and pretend that biological sex doesn't exist? I'm fed up with it and I'm fed up with men encroaching on my space. I really admire the fight back in the UK.

BK is a bona fide sociopath. USA horror movie type level.

I know that sounds like exaggeration but unfortunately not.

They have an appalling history of extreme abuse. In care from young age.

I read a psychiatrist report. It was. Terrifying. Zero empathy or regret. Openly stating want to rape and hurt women. Has done so. The SW it was in car she driving. BK with no warning ripped eyelids off and pulled out clumps of hair.

Psych said only time bk showed emotion was when relating past attacks. Positive emotion.

A govt dept that had nothing to do with anything. Sent letters to all sites hosting info saying would take legal action unless removed.

Bk is in Limerick women's prison (segregated) but recent official report said that the two trans prisoners there (not named) were suffering unduly due to segregation and that needed to change.

Long time info vanished from her net presumably due to threats from govt. Then a month or 2 ago back. Looks like gone again?

This person is extremely disturbed and extremely dangerous.

They should be in a secure MH facility. Where they can get help. And where they can be kept away from those at risk from them. Not in segregation in normal prison (that's not going to help anything loads of time to think plan etc) and certainly not in general population. Men or women I'd say. This person is proper off the scale extreme danger.

Thanks for sharing the Countess website. It looks great. I’m in NZ, but we are heading down the road that Ireland has done. It is bleak here with regards to women’s rights, but I comfort myself that feminists (not the sexy kind) have always been ahead of their time, and unfashionable. We will prevail I’m the end. I am quite sure of it.

Of course there appear to be no problems if no-one is allowed to talk about it, or write about it, or even think about it here

Exactly. That's why the free speech element of all of this is equally as important (if not moreso) than the actual women's rights element- the censorship (in Britain and Ireland) is so scary as there's no way of challenging what you don't know about.

If it weren't for the Kathleen Stock debacle being so high-profile, most people in the UK probably wouldn't have been any the wiser either.

Right down to us not being able to talk about abortion (which was only allowed a couple of years ago) as a "women's issue".

but you can now? And selfID has nothing to do with abortion or talking about abortion?

I'm shocked that so much is censored in Ireland. Who is behind the social media cover up. This is why real books are so important.

@CatherinaJTV

Right down to us not being able to talk about abortion (which was only allowed a couple of years ago) as a "women's issue".

but you can now? And selfID has nothing to do with abortion or talking about abortion?

Catherina, do you honestly believe that men require access to abortions? If abortion isn't a women's issue, what is?

Barbie Kardashian / Alejandro Gentile is a very dangerous man. Now he - and two other sex offenders - is in Limerick Women's Prison. Presumably he has the right to be searched by a female prison officer. When the story broke a civil servant said ' this wasn't foreseen in the legislation '. The understatement of the millennium. When I have raised it with various FB forums I am met with- mostly women - saying its not unfair using this extreme example , trans are the most vulnerable people of all time etc. Part of our problem here in Ireland is that we are pathetically anxious to be seen as liberal , tolerant and ' progressive ' after decades of church interference in politics.Therefore if the Church thinks there are 2 sexes they must be wrong. Self ID was sneaked in around the same time as the Gay Marriage Referendum was won in 2015. As per the strategy outlined in Denton. Now , as well as the Countess there is Radicailín , LGB Ireland and people like Iseult White. Graham Linehan and Helen Joyce are two of our own of course!

Even Helen Joyce in her book Trans wasn't allowed to refer to BK by name. She had to give this person a code name and speak about 'Kandy' instead.

But thankfully TENI seems to be imploding.

I'm shocked that so much is censored in Ireland. Who is behind the social media cover up.

Social media is run by private companies according to their own T&Cs.

If a mod deems something offensive or 'transphobic', they're within their rights to delete it as you're on their turf and have to play by their rules.

Plus, IME on some platforms, there are algorithms which appear to remove likes from a post if accounts following feminist accounts 'like' them to depopularise them. And accounts following feminist accounts tend to be logged out and reset to unfollow key feminist accounts regularly.

Social media is not neutral territory - generally, it's run by men, for men.

@CatherinaJTV

Right down to us not being able to talk about abortion (which was only allowed a couple of years ago) as a "women's issue".

but you can now? And selfID has nothing to do with abortion or talking about abortion?

A female can apply to the State to gain legal recognition as a man and a male.

A female who has a GRC self-excludes from all State funded female health care.

A female who gets a GRC and subsequently obtains an abortion is committing a criminal offence any and all who assisted in the abortion have also committed a criminal offence.

That's the gold standard no problem State recognised self ID in action.

I find it amazing that people who are supposed to be intelligent and think they can run a country don't have the capacity to foresee what might happen with any piece of legislation. Said tongue in cheek obviously!

Gosh I didn't realise women in Ireland aren't allowed to talk about BK, why is that??

@loislovesstewie

I find it amazing that people who are supposed to be intelligent and think they can run a country don't have the capacity to foresee what might happen with any piece of legislation. Said tongue in cheek obviously!

We saw this recently with the roll back on legislation where a murder victim who was under 18 could not be named. And then parents of these victims complained that they were not able to talk about their children and name them publicly. The government had to do a swift turnaround on that. Apparently they didn't think that one through either .

I remember Posie said something recently in a video about how when she was growing up, she thought politicians had to be smart. I know what she means. Most of our lot seem completely incompetent and stuck in their own little bubble. My own father used to say, our government don't act, they react. Just like everything else, it will take us 10 years longer than everyone else to wake up to this. Very frustrating.

Part of our problem here in Ireland is that we are pathetically anxious to be seen as liberal , tolerant and ' progressive ' after decades of church interference in politics. Indeed, and we also suffer from small country sydrome, we are smaller and less powerful on the world stage than our larger economic and culturally dominant neighbour (similar to Canada and New Zealand, both of whom are going down the rabbit hole just like us). We therefore want to distinguish ourselves as 'better than' the UK, more liberal, more progressive etc.

Anyway, chin up OP, just keep talking about it. I know how you feel, I get very frustrated sometimes at how far behind we are. Our best hope really is that the UK is thrashing this out, and we take notice of what goes on there. I think it will wake a lot of people up over here.

I would urge everyone to write to your TD, I have done so several times on this, but got no response . But the more they hear from us the better.

@PleasantBirthday

But thankfully TENI seems to be imploding.

Yes, couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

@NutellaEllaElla

Gosh I didn't realise women in Ireland aren't allowed to talk about BK, why is that??

I think it's because when he first committed crimes he was underage. But he is now an adult, and pretty terrifying.

It stinks to high heaven of a coverup, the government don't want it leaked out because it will show up the 'be kind' stuff as dangerous and a complete liability to women. It shows that, as was already mentioned on this thread, when enacting Self ID, they didn't fully consider the implications of it at all.

How ridiculous is that? I mean, that is their actual job as legislators, and they failed to do it.

And it will be women and girls who are collateral damage.

I work with a woman whose very into running fundraisers for TENI and BeLongTo. She's a lovely woman and a fantastic colleague and I expect she's a person who would want to be kind. I don't know what her motivation for the interest is (family, possibly?) but it's so relentless it's becoming embarrassing.

I mean, that is theiractual jobas legislators, and they failed to do it.

I'm pretty sure though that chances are they did due diligence but where would they have got the opposing view from? ICCL? Nope.

Abhannmor
The first male was sentenced in 2019 with 9 charges of sex abuse and 1 assault of a child
Produced a GRC in court.
Doing the maths the offender could have been one of the first males to obtain a GRC and not yet charged. However there is no requirement for the State to do any checks so the GRC could have been obtained while charged/on bail.
The fact that this male was in the women's prison is part of the official Dail record as the relevant Minister replied to a written request for information prior to the BK case.

LonginesPrime
After a court case the Irish Courts ruled that it was unlawful to identify children when they subject of a court case even if they were the victims of crimes.
Parents of murdered children were not allowed to name their own children or name the person convicted of the murder.
The Irish media had a legal obligation to remove all potentially identifying information.

@PleasantBirthday

But thankfully TENI seems to be imploding.

Yep grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/irelands-stonewall-is-crumbling

And

www.theburkean.ie/articles/2021/11/06/teni-in-tatters-trans-ngo-sees-mass-resignations-amid-bullying-and-financial-woes

I'd love to know what's happening there.

After a court case the Irish Courts ruled that it was unlawful to identify children when they subject of a court case even if they were the victims of crimes.
Parents of murdered children were not allowed to name their own children or name the person convicted of the murder.
The Irish media had a legal obligation to remove all potentially identifying information.

That's madness in a country where there have been several finds of mass graves for children.

If it hadn't been changed it would look like no children were ever the victims of any crime. Perfect for covering things up. Just think, under that legislation someone like Savile would have free rein really. Impossible to name him or his victims, all prosecutions done in secret, no way to appeal to the public for witnesses or further victims. Really stupid piece of legislation, I'd never heard of it before now.

Indeed, and we also suffer from small country sydrome, we are smaller and less powerful on the world stage than our larger economic and culturally dominant neighbour (similar to Canada and New Zealand, both of whom are going down the rabbit hole just like us). We therefore want to distinguish ourselves as 'better than' the UK, more liberal, more progressive etc.

Add Scotland to that list.

@FlyingOink

Indeed, and we also suffer from small country sydrome, we are smaller and less powerful on the world stage than our larger economic and culturally dominant neighbour (similar to Canada and New Zealand, both of whom are going down the rabbit hole just like us). We therefore want to distinguish ourselves as 'better than' the UK, more liberal, more progressive etc.

Add Scotland to that list.

My thoughts too. Example at the moment of Sturgeon, who has no official role at Cop26, not missing any media opportunity to promote herself and her odious agenda.