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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Virginia election and Loudon county

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Berthatydfil · 02/11/2021 18:03

Sorry it’s a daily Mail article www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10156749/Mother-skirt-wearing-teen-raped-female-classmate-says-identifies-male.html

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SolasAnla · 03/11/2021 15:58

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

Are we allowed to use the phrase 'sacred caste' nowadays? There's a strong whiff of it here. Interesting that the mother in the DM article is adamant that her son is not transgender. Sounds as if the school jumped to that conclusion and didn't discuss with her. Par for the course.
Nope, not at all. Under current TRA propaganda

Your conclusions showed you need to "do👏🏻 better👏🏻"
The school was "trans ally" by having an "acceptance without exception" policy and would be "transphobic" to ask the male child for "her pronouns" if female apparel clearly demonstrates a "gender identity".
The male in the female apparel "is trans" and correctly accessing the female bathrooms.
However if the parent is unaware this is due to "transphobia" of parent attempting to "erase her existence".
The school being "trans allies" have protected the male from "her mother's transphobic violence" and correctly allowed the male a "safe space" by not challenging the parents assumption.

Which works, except when the sexual assault derails the underlying social engineering / mixed sex bathroom agenda.

The school has a financial liability for lack of supervision. The male committed sexual assault on the premises he had a prior history of inappropriate sexual contact with 10 yr old female student and physical violence.
The liability is slightly mitigated if the male was trespassing into an area rather than there by permission of the school.
Luckily in a neat squared circle, with the new policy he wont gain permission without self IDing as trans either.

If I was the mother I would be selling the "not transgender" as hard as I could. A child committing sexual assault on other children is a horrible reality but being the poster-child of trans rapist is a whole other level of notorious.

Plus on a local level its toxic with the State arresting parents at school meetings. The TRS lobby group is willing to bankrupt the parent of a rape victim for bring their ideology into disrepute what would they do to the family of the perpetrator?
The legal team is, I presume, still trying to negotiate a sentence recommendation with the person (elected official?) who personally prosecuted a father for being upset that his child was sexually assaulted while in the care of the school.

AlfonsoTheUnrepentant · 03/11/2021 16:11

I read the article and thought that the mother did not come off well at all. Her son is a sexual predator and she is (1) making excuses for him and (2) blaming the victim.

Both of them need help - the mother so that she has a better understanding of the gravity of her son's crimes and the son before he commits more - and more serious - sex crimes.

The school administration where the first attack took place should resign. They are disgraceful.

I feel so sorry for the girls' families, particularly the father who had that humiliating photograph of him circulated around the world.

nauticant · 03/11/2021 17:33

This was just covered on the PM programme on Radio 4. Their version is it was an anti-Biden vote, nothing more.

This blinkered focus is actually worrying.

TedImgoingmad · 03/11/2021 18:00

It's been discussed on The Mess We're In this evening, with the excellent Kara Dansky.

secular111 · 03/11/2021 19:07

The Democrats take the Black vote for granted at their peril. In the 2020 U.S. presidential election, both the Republican and Democratic Party candidates saw record turnouts. Trump received millions more votes than he had received in 2016, including an overall increase in votes from people of color.

If that wasn't a decent warning, I don't know what would be. And it seems The Republicans have it figured-out. Yet they will still likely blunder and select Trump for 2024, when perhaps persuading Larry Elder ro run would guarantee a win.

Doubletoilandtrouble · 03/11/2021 19:23

I just watched The Mess we’re in.

Kara Dansky said that the main swing came from parents worried about gender identity and that nobody had criticised CRT, that the media miss portrayed it (at least one transwoman seemed to say that gender was a non issue Hmm).

It was interesting that they also seemed to have almost pornographic books in the school which had been bought under some inclusive LBGTQ+ scheme and was accessible for 12 year olds.

The parents were up in arms, about the rape, the cover up, the books and the accusations of being domestic terrorists for complaining. And to top it off, the local democrats and the papers told them that they were racist (because as gender was a “non-issue”, they must be racists).

No wonder the swing was so big. No wonder the democrats lost.

LobsterNapkin · 03/11/2021 21:24

@secular111

The Democrats take the Black vote for granted at their peril. In the 2020 U.S. presidential election, both the Republican and Democratic Party candidates saw record turnouts. Trump received millions more votes than he had received in 2016, including an overall increase in votes from people of color.

If that wasn't a decent warning, I don't know what would be. And it seems The Republicans have it figured-out. Yet they will still likely blunder and select Trump for 2024, when perhaps persuading Larry Elder ro run would guarantee a win.

Gosh Larry Elder, that would be really interesting. I don't think he's a great brain or anything, but it would be different, that's for sure.
OvaHere · 03/11/2021 22:06

@Doubletoilandtrouble

I just watched The Mess we’re in.

Kara Dansky said that the main swing came from parents worried about gender identity and that nobody had criticised CRT, that the media miss portrayed it (at least one transwoman seemed to say that gender was a non issue Hmm).

It was interesting that they also seemed to have almost pornographic books in the school which had been bought under some inclusive LBGTQ+ scheme and was accessible for 12 year olds.

The parents were up in arms, about the rape, the cover up, the books and the accusations of being domestic terrorists for complaining. And to top it off, the local democrats and the papers told them that they were racist (because as gender was a “non-issue”, they must be racists).

No wonder the swing was so big. No wonder the democrats lost.

This is a good article that looks at some of the factors at play. Apparently he's going back to do a deeper dive into it all.

taibbi.substack.com/p/the-red-pilling-of-loudoun-county

nauticant · 03/11/2021 22:35

It's now being reported on Radio 4 in a sensible hard news programme, The World Tonight. It's still about Biden, nothing more. It seems that voters were taken in by plausible Trump supporting talking points. Education wasn't an issue. How interesting.

LobsterNapkin · 03/11/2021 22:46

Wow, Ovahere. That's really interesting because what I have been getting from my progressive American hobby group is that this area is full of deplorable types who just want to intimidate the poor school board. It doesn't sound like that's accurate at all.

JohnRokesmith · 03/11/2021 23:36

Meanwhile, in Buffalo, New York, it appears that the Democratic mayoral candidate, who was the only candidate on the ballot, may have been defeated by a write-in candidate. These are certainly interesting times in American politics.

timeisnotaline · 04/11/2021 07:46

@nauticant

It's now being reported on Radio 4 in a sensible hard news programme, The World Tonight. It's still about Biden, nothing more. It seems that voters were taken in by plausible Trump supporting talking points. Education wasn't an issue. How interesting.
WSJ article on it talks about education as the driver and also mentions trans rights. I’m sure there are a few viewpoints here.
Doubletoilandtrouble · 04/11/2021 07:50

@Gingernaut

bariweiss.substack.com/p/what-happened-last-night-in-virginia

This is an account from Bari Weiss whom I mentioned upthread. She resigned from NY Times as she felt that there were certain things she wasn’t allowed to write due to the culture wars.

Look at how her account differs from the NY Times one.

Gingernaut · 04/11/2021 08:08

The piece is by Batya Ungar-Sargon

Doubletoilandtrouble · 04/11/2021 08:11

Sorry, yes. But on Bari Weiss sub stack

MatildaIThink · 04/11/2021 08:11

I have friends in the US and they are saying this really is a big issue, people don't want the Republicans in power but many cannot bring themselves to vote for the Democrats when they support rubbish like this.

Doubletoilandtrouble · 04/11/2021 08:20

I thought the shift was quite telling - lots of mums.

On “The Mess we are in” they suggested that many professionals suddenly got more insight into the teaching during homeschooling and strongly disagreed with parts of it.

But also that they were enraged about the sexual assaults, the cover ups, the books etc.

The US seems so different from here and I understand why people never would vote Republican. Their stance on abortion is frightening. But if you feel that your children are under threat, what do you do?

Let’s step away from the rape for a while. It appears it was a thing to have sex in the toilets? For 14-year olds? And that boys wearing skirts were allowed in the girls?

Wasn’t that what the defence tried to say? Slut-shaming and an accident, you know, when you wear a skirt it can easily get caught on a watch and then “things happen”.

Obviously the rape did happen, the boy was convicted. But the fact that these things seem to be going on would make me furious.

And don’t get me started on the cover up.

EsmaCannonball · 04/11/2021 08:26

I saw a Democrat strategist speak about it to the BBC last night and her main take was that suburban white women have been duped into voting Republican. They still don't get that calling voters too stupid and ignorant to vote for their wonderful, enlightened policies is not a good strategy. You can't insult people into voting for you.

Gingernaut · 04/11/2021 08:29

www.cnbc.com/2021/11/03/virginia-election-sees-highest-turnout-in-recent-history-fueling-glenn-youngkins-victory.html

www.wsj.com/articles/virginia-governor-election-youngkin-results-11635884218

apnews.com/article/election-2021-virginia-governor-glenn-youngkin-mcaulife-6cdbf77acf9a966e216ab2a297601baa

www.latimes.com/politics/story/2021-11-02/virginia-governor-election-youngkin-mcauliffe-takeaways

Youngkin ran a canny, well funded campaign, profited from Biden's poll slump, took advantage of the transgender and CRT controversies in schools, mobilized core Republican voters and swayed Independent voters.

McAuliffe had a lacklustre campaign and focussed on anti-Trump messages.

There are probably many reasons why Virginia went red and political analysis will carry on for months to come.

NJ also had a narrow squeak and barely voted Democrat.

Signalbox · 04/11/2021 08:38

Strikes me that it is irrelevant whether or not an attacker identifies as trans. In this case the attempted cover up happened because the assailant was assumed to be trans. Same with the Wi Spa incident.

We are always being told that if attacks happen (in a trans inclusive space) we should rely on the justice system to deal with it. But it is increasingly obvious that anyone making accusations of attacks in these spaces will be called liars/ transphobes/ religious right-wing bigots with an agenda. It is becoming increasingly apparent that when attacks happen in “inclusive” spaces women will be even less likely to be believed than if it was out in public.

ScreamingMeMe · 04/11/2021 08:53

@EsmaCannonball

I saw a Democrat strategist speak about it to the BBC last night and her main take was that suburban white women have been duped into voting Republican. They still don't get that calling voters too stupid and ignorant to vote for their wonderful, enlightened policies is not a good strategy. You can't insult people into voting for you.
Oh cripes, it's just like the Labour Party! What has happened to the left?! Sad

(Rhetorical question, sort of!)

Doubletoilandtrouble · 04/11/2021 09:15

Signalbox, that is just the thing. Women and girls are unable to report any incident in women’s spaces without being publicly harassed, threatened and accused of transphobia. I think we need an urgent shift and have single sex spaces. Then any potential predator can be stopped before entering- or quickly thrown out.

Gingernut, I really hope they do this analysis. I had such high hopes for the Democrats (even if I am not US based) but I just don’t understand why they seem to push this gender politics. It is damaging to women and girls. I am not familiar with CRT so I cannot comment on that. I also didn’t understand Afghanistan and I recently read some articles about 9 year old girls sold into marriage- for food. It made me cry.

The democrats has such an amazing opportunity to change things are really do brilliant things for the country. I just don’t get it.

AlfonsoTheUnrepentant · 04/11/2021 09:27

@EsmaCannonball

I saw a Democrat strategist speak about it to the BBC last night and her main take was that suburban white women have been duped into voting Republican. They still don't get that calling voters too stupid and ignorant to vote for their wonderful, enlightened policies is not a good strategy. You can't insult people into voting for you.
Calling them "deplorables" wasn't a good move, either.
cocoapopfan · 04/11/2021 09:29

I remember reading years and years ago, I think pre-Trump, an article saying Obama’s school bathroom policy had eroded support for him in the suburbs/midwest. Wish I could remember the reference. At the time I’d barely heard of the issue.

So I don’t understand why the Democrats have been so keen to keep pushing this, especially as I’ve always had the impression they have an army of analysts trying to understand their vote? Or do they somehow think it's in their interest to create a wedge issue (as the Republicans did with abortion )- that the youth vote will win out in the end?

KittenKong · 04/11/2021 09:34

Obama said that this event was something along the lines of Pearl-grabbing hysterics. I’m an not impressed with that man...

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