Virginia election and Loudon county

[Berthatydfil]

Sorry it’s a daily Mail article www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10156749/Mother-skirt-wearing-teen-raped-female-classmate-says-identifies-male.html

His mum seemed to be implying that since they’d allegedly had sex before... oh well, she’d better hope that her ex doesn’t decide that since they’d obviously had sex before in the past, it would be what, his ‘right’ to do so again (with force if necessary) if he wanted it?

She is flailing around looking for an excuse - a reason - for his behaviour. Yea she sounds at the end of her tether, but for gods sake, what has she been doing for the past 15 years? And yes I say ‘she’ because it sounds like dad was out of the picture.

If you allow your boy to go to school in a mini shirt and ‘kitty’ choker, then I suspect you need to step in there...

On the Today programme earlier when they were reporting that the Republican seemed set to win in Virginia, they listed a few possible reasons and the last one was parental dissatisfaction with what children were being taught in Virginia's schools. I surmise from the little I know about this that this was a reference to Critical Race Theory, but I've no doubt this incident was also in people's minds.

My impression is that over in the US this is a very polarised issue between socially conservative people, often deeply religious, who have no issue with gender stereotypes and expect people who struggle with them to change their behaviour, and the so called progressives/liberals, who would say they don't accept gender stereotypes but seem totally relaxed about children and teenagers who feel they don't fit in taking steps to change their bodies in irreversible ways in the hope of matching their personality better.

The position most of us on FWR adopt, that you don't need to change either your behaviour/personality or your body, you're fine just as you are, but it's essential to come to terms with the fact that your biological sex is unalterable - seems to be rarer. Or is it just that people who think that way are keeping their heads down?

On another note, yet again we see that a teenager with gender issues of some sort comes from a troubled background. His parents split up when he was very young and it doesn't sound as if they have a good working relationship now. He moved to live with his Dad for a bit and then moved back to his Mum, who knows why. Sent a nude picture of himself to a girl in 5th grade. Doesn't that mean he was 11 at the time? Surely that should have been taken very seriously as a sign of something going very badly wrong in this kid's life and as an indication that he was a risk to other children?

The cover up by the school and the Public prosecutor is utterly shocking

I don’t think the father of the raped girl being treated like a terrorist by the left and the schoolboard covering up the fact they knew the rape had happened really helped the Democrats.

Are we allowed to use the phrase 'sacred caste' nowadays? There's a strong whiff of it here. Interesting that the mother in the DM article is adamant that her son is not transgender. Sounds as if the school jumped to that conclusion and didn't discuss with her. Par for the course.

Cover ups are never helpful. It appears that some journalists are trying to completely remove the trans angle from this.

This is a helpful guide how they do it

transjournalists.org/style-guide/

This is an article by a transwoman writing for MSNBC

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/ncna1282748

Bit more about Katelyn

www.vox.com/authors/katelyn-burns-2

Also writes for Huffington Post.

I love impartiality in journalism

I don’t think the school is allowed to tell anyone if their child is trans. Couple in Florida is suing a school for this atm. And Florida is run by conservatives

They are surely allowed to call the parents in for a meeting to discuss the child. I am not an expert in safeguarding by any stretch of the imagination, but from what I've read and heard others saying over the years in this country it used to be taken for granted that if a child confided in a member of staff at school or at a youth group the child had to be told that this couldn't be kept confidential, it would have to be shared with family. I assume there are exceptions for the rare cases where the child's safety would obviously be at risk if parents were told. That last exception seems to be used a lot more now to keep parents out of the loop when a child confides a gender issue to school.

I think the US is different

genspect.org/breaking-news-florida-parents-sue-school-for-hiding-childs-trans-identification/

Whether the rapist in this case is 'genuinely' trans or not, as someone who is a cross dresser they certainly come under the trans umbrella.

Also it is because of gender identity usurping sex, that toilets are made gender neutral allowing any male to follow females into toilets unchallenged.

Youngkin, a Republican was voted into a normally safe Democrat seat.

He's not the only Virginian game changer.

www.cnn.com/2021/11/03/politics/winsome-sears-virginia-lieutenant-governor-race/index.html

Democrats have held the Governor of Virginia role since 2009 Biden beat Trump in Virginia by 10 percentage points.

So there's an early-warning here for the Democrats, on the run-up to the mid-term elections. They might be losing New Jersey too, as the Republican candidate Jack Ciattarelli is winning, though the count isn't over.

If Republican candidates avoid referring to Trump throughout the campaign, it seems they have a means to defeat Democrats in any seat they compete over.

From media reports the school board / Ziegler
*knew of the sexual assault (email 28 May)
*knew that prior to the sex assault school staff presumed the male was transgender due to his presentation,
*knew the male had accessed the single sex female bathroom prior to the sexual assault,
*knew that children were using the bathrooms for sexual activity,
They still used "no transgender male involved in a sexual assault" to have the bathrooms changed to mixed sex bathrooms.

Reading the email from Ziegler to the school board.
Where did it say the school staff provided medical or other assistance to the alleged victim of a sexual assault?

"additional units"
The Dad maintains that the school had not informed the local police of the allegation of rape and it was only after the staff decided that he should be removed that the police were called.
I wonder what the public record request turned up.

The timeline is "interesting"
'What are they trying to do?' she asked. 'Did they hire an investigator to dig up everything and ruin him for the rest of his life?'

Production and distribution of child pornography by 11
Unlawful sexual activity with other minors by 13
Violence against members of the school community
Sexual assault "Domestic Abuse" incident on sick partner by 15
She indicates zero communication with XH prior to her refusing to participate as a guardian
Blames XHs partner for supporting XH during the trial
Mother objects to the prior bad act being relevant
Dismisses the need for consent.
Claims the school failed to inform her of the alleged rape of a child by her child
Still wanted the child back in the same school where the sexual violence took place

It shows her state of mind even after the conviction for sexual assault there is 100% underlying denial of her child having a serious problem

[quote Gingernaut]Youngkin, a Republican was voted into a normally safe Democrat seat.

He's not the only Virginian game changer.

www.cnn.com/2021/11/03/politics/winsome-sears-virginia-lieutenant-governor-race/index.html[/quote]
So Republicans won both the Governor and Lieutenant Governor seats.

And the Republicans appear to have realised that having black candidates is a genuine game-changer; they change the nature of the Republican Party - leading it back to its roots as being the true anti-racist party of Abraham Lincoln (the Democrat party before the 1960s was the party of the KKK and Jim Crow Laws) - and there are many more Black people willing to vote against the Democrats 'cos of their tendency to back segregation in education.

Democrats can bleat about issues like this being used in a "phony, trumped up culture war" (gosh, thanks Obama!) all they want, but they have nobody to blame but themselves.

Boy aged 11 sends disgusting images to girl - his mom - "What does that have anything to do with it.
Boy aged 15 rapes a girl - mom - "his life is imploding"
School tries to cover it all up.
Dad of girl tries to confront the school about it, is assaulted, then arrested.
Boy aged 15 moved to another school, where he abducts and sexually assaults another girl.
Mom of 15 year old boy attempts to blame girl who was raped for not fighting back, then alleges they had consensual sex.
No mention of how the girl and her family are getting on.

How in any decent society is this allowed to happen?

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

On the Today programme earlier when they were reporting that the Republican seemed set to win in Virginia, they listed a few possible reasons and the last one was parental dissatisfaction with what children were being taught in Virginia's schools. I surmise from the little I know about this that this was a reference to Critical Race Theory, but I've no doubt this incident was also in people's minds.

My impression is that over in the US this is a very polarised issue between socially conservative people, often deeply religious, who have no issue with gender stereotypes and expect people who struggle with them to change their behaviour, and the so called progressives/liberals, who would say they don't accept gender stereotypes but seem totally relaxed about children and teenagers who feel they don't fit in taking steps to change their bodies in irreversible ways in the hope of matching their personality better.

The position most of us on FWR adopt, that you don't need to change either your behaviour/personality or your body, you're fine just as you are, but it's essential to come to terms with the fact that your biological sex is unalterable - seems to be rarer. Or is it just that people who think that way are keeping their heads down?

I'm in a couple of hobby group that consists of mostly American women, one mainly progressives, and one mainly conservatives. Both have more who practice religion than you typically see in the UK.

What I would say is that your sense that the conservatives are supportive of gender stereotypes does not seem to be particularly correct. They and their daughters aren't going around in miniskirts and pearls any more than sons are, their kids mainly do the same kinds of hobbies, they are encouraged to go into the same kinds of jobs if they are keen, and so on. They do tend to think that boys and men, not in the music industry, who do those things are often doing so to try and look like girls rather than because they want to smash stereotypes. But I don't know that they aren't just being fairly realistic on that.

The progressive group is interesting because they tend very much to assume that where they have different views, conservative are basically religious bigots who don't understand science and want to impose their views on others. There's very little engagement with what they actually say.

And the Republicans appear to have realised that having black candidates is a genuine game-changer; they change the nature of the Republican Party - leading it back to its roots as being the true anti-racist party of Abraham Lincoln (the Democrat party before the 1960s was the party of the KKK and Jim Crow Laws) - and there are many more Black people willing to vote against the Democrats 'cos of their tendency to back segregation in education.

The Democrats have been fools to assume that they will always be the party of choice for black Americans. They should have seen the writing on the wall with the Hispanic population who more and more tend to vote Republican. Because the values of many of them are increasingly out of step with the face of the Democrats.

Black Americans as a demographic are typically more socially conservative and more religious than most Democrats. They are also more likely to be working class poor, which the Democrats have counted in their favour, but they are losing the white and Hispanic working class poor to the Republicans, seemingly with no clue as to why that is happening. Why the light bulb hasn't gone on that the black working class might be tempted in that direction I don't know. Trump had more black votes in his second run than his first!

I agree, as they get more black candidates they stand to become a real option for many black voters.

Its amazing isen't it that the left cant see what is so clear to everyone else. I feel like we are all waiting for the penny to drop.
Based on some very recent experiance I do think people underestermate the lothing, almost subconcious terrror, that the middle class left have of the white working class.
I read an article that puts middle class horror of the working class as a fear of being forced, by changing ecomomies, to become one of them. I do think this basic fear fules the fanatism of the woke.

McAuliffe ran an inept campaign, which didn't help.

www.nytimes.com/live/2021/11/02/us/election-news

I am not sure about New York Times. I believe Bari Weiss left because she felt that there were certain things you couldn’t say as they were “wrong think”.

www.bariweiss.com/resignation-letter

I don’t think the constant hammering of Trump in the campaign helped though. Trump is not president. And I don’t think that Obama talking about hyped up culture wars helped in Loudoun where the girl had been raped by a boy in a skirt. And where the father of the raped girl had been painted as a right wing thug for supporting his daughter. Or the request to treat parents as terrorists.

I think there was a huge amount of parent concerns about education, safety of pupils and disgust of the cover up. The right used this to the max. And McAuliffe was stupid enough to say that parents shouldn’t have an influence on their children’s education in the middle of it.

The boys mother is human garbage.. she is defending her son who raped a girl!

And we wonder why men and boys are behaving like feral animals.

Behind every rapist there is someone making an excuse for them being a predator! And just usually their parents.

@Fariha31

Its amazing isen't it that the left cant see what is so clear to everyone else. I feel like we are all waiting for the penny to drop. Based on some very recent experiance I do think people underestermate the lothing, almost subconcious terrror, that the middle class left have of the white working class. I read an article that puts middle class horror of the working class as a fear of being forced, by changing ecomomies, to become one of them. I do think this basic fear fules the fanatism of the woke.

I've heard this explanation, and as far as it goes it seems reasonable, but I'm not sure if it really explains it in a way I find satisfying. Because you are right, it is a kind of real despising of the group and a horror about their ways of talking, ideas, etc. It seems so visceral when you see it, clear how stupid they think these people are.

But I'm not really competitive about money or job status, so maybe I am just not the right person to understand this way of thinking.

NAMCPALT obvs I think its (ironically) mainly middle class people who self define as on the far left that seem to be most subject to it.
Some clever psychologist needs to do some reasearch.