Labour chat forum: “TERF arguments are the same as transphobia”

[BatmansBat]

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And will result in an immediate ban

title amended by MNHQ to make it clear that this refers to a Labour party chat forum rather than an official party statement.

"There have been no documented cases of men pretending to be a trans woman to access women’s toilets for nefarious purposes"

Except there have. Here's one off the top of my head, I'm sure others can be found. metro.co.uk/2019/03/16/transgender-woman-18-sexually-assaulted-girl-10-morrisons-toilet-8914577/

The Labour Party:

"We consider TERF arguments to be equal to transphobia in all regards - this includes all of the usual arguments on bathrooms, women’s shelters, childhood transition, etc.
We will not be accepting transphobia under the guise of debate. We know what you are trying to do."

No debate!

No discussion on safe spaces or shelters or transition etc etc.

"A transgender woman threatened to stab a 10-year-old girl’s mother during a terrifying sexual assault in the female toilets of a Morrison’s supermarket.

Katie Dolatowski, 18, admitted grabbing the youngster by her face and forcing her into the cubicle before demanding she take her trousers off at the store in Fife, Scotland, on 4 March.

She carried out a similar attack just weeks earlier, on 8 February, when another young girl using the toilet at an Asda store in Halbeath spotted Dolatowski using a mobile phone to spy on her over the partition wall."

Obviously a man who says he is now a woman and trans women are women should be allowed to do exactly what they want. Seriously who will protect women who are women from men who want to be or say they are women and want access to women's safe spaces?

Not the Labour party that's for sure.

I don’t use reddit so don’t get who this ‘Terrible Pastry’ writer is. I see they say “Starmer Bad” as part of their identity. So presumably this isn’t an official Labour account? Or is it?

It probably should be made clear this is the Labour Party subreddit and not an official Labour Party statement.

I'm sure plenty of people in the Labour Party agree with much of it but it is unofficial and we don't know who controls that subreddit.

Reddit is it's own eco system of misogyny and best off ignored.

Thanks for clarifying @OvaHere I think I shall continue to ignore reddit then!

Love this. Seems they went to the same Biology course as Starmer and Lammy.

"biological female" is a bit of a meaningless term. Hormones and surgery change biology, that's the point.

Someone actually thinks that cosmetic surgery, and the using synthetic cross sex hormones literally changes someone into the other biological sex.

I am surprised that the Labour leadership would allow this to stand if they didn’t agree.

That is pretty much a manifesto like we have seen before.

The Labour leadership must know it's there. Perhaps they're testing the water. I will never vote for Labour whilst kier starmer is at the helm after his cervix comments.

[quote FionnulaTheCooler]"There have been no documented cases of men pretending to be a trans woman to access women’s toilets for nefarious purposes"

Except there have. Here's one off the top of my head, I'm sure others can be found. metro.co.uk/2019/03/16/transgender-woman-18-sexually-assaulted-girl-10-morrisons-toilet-8914577/[/quote]
I don't think that incident was a man pretending to be a transwoman. I think that was a 'genuine' transwoman (although I don't know how you tell the difference).

So what it shows is that some transwomen are sexual predators.

But there was also Karen White, who (I think) is a man who pretended to be a transwoman in order to access women in prison.

"There have been no documented cases of men pretending to be a trans woman to access women’s toilets for nefarious purposes"

Erm....Wispa?

A great example of what happens when you allow males to 'self Id' as female.

What about the case in the USA where the dad was arrested for protesting about the response to his daughter being sexually assaulted in the toilets?

A trans person may well be biologically closer to the sex typically associated with ther actual gender than the sex that is more commonly associated with the gender assigned to them at birth (Or they may not, it's not the defining quality).

Say what now??

Good to have it confirmed yet again that I, a former party member and until now lifelong Labour voter, should no longer be voting Labour.

My unwanted terf vote will have to go elsewhere. Labour has plenty other votes to replace it, I’m sure.

@BatmansBat

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Where is this from? I was a bit confudled by the ‘trust us we’re lovely’ heading and the Labour Party banner. I don’t know if it’s actually the Labour Party or just rapey incels. And how do we tell the difference?

What exactly is a TERF argument? Is it like a turf war? It that how they envision women fighting for rights, like west side story minus the music?

Or it it when TERF’s wrestle each other in a tub of ky jelly? Silly Labour lads, that’s called porn. You watch so much and never learned the name??

Or when we answer men in a way that isn’t ‘you’re so right/strong/sexy’? It’s that one isn’t it??

@foxgoosefinch

Good to have it confirmed yet again that I, a former party member and until now lifelong Labour voter, should no longer be voting Labour.

My unwanted terf vote will have to go elsewhere. Labour has plenty other votes to replace it, I’m sure.

That would be a great sticker campaign for ballot spoiling- TERF votes go where? Slapped across the middle of the ballot.

They should check out r/transmaxxing the incel to trans pipeline is real.

Also, good - the more this lot behave like lunatics the sooner the Labour Party and every other group which has allowed itself to be co-opted by gender ideologues implode the better.

Is this in forums?

As an aside I saw this via endocrine society link (which I don't think is particularly U.K. based, it's a global group.)

www.endocrine.org/our-community/special-interest-groups/transgender-research-and-medicine

Learning objectives:

	Distinguish the effect of puberty blockers, estrogen and testosterone on bone turnover in transgender patients.
	Outline the clinical approach to bone health for transgender people on Gender-Affirming Hormone Therapy.
	Compare and Contrast Bone Mass & Bone Remodeling in Young Adults to Aging Cis-Women & Men, and in transgender adults and adolescents on Gender-Affirming Hormone Therapy.

@Cailleach1

Love this. Seems they went to the same Biology course as Starmer and Lammy.

"biological female" is a bit of a meaningless term. Hormones and surgery change biology, that's the point.

Someone actually thinks that cosmetic surgery, and the using synthetic cross sex hormones literally changes someone into the other biological sex.

Someone needs to sit and do his colour by numbers until he’s grown enough to do female anatomy in science class.

biological female" is a bit of a meaningless term. Hormones and surgery change biology, that's the point

Wonder what Prof Winston would say? .

And any number of actual scientists.

They're making themselves a laughing stock.

"There have been no documented cases of men pretending to be a trans woman to access women’s toilets for nefarious purposes"

It's a bit Catch-22, isn't it? A man arrested for sexual assault in a space reserved for women can claim to be a woman. Thus, the crime is recorded as being committed by a woman although it was committed by a man.

Is this from Reddit? Why does it say Reddit at the top?

@OvaHere

It probably should be made clear this is the Labour Party subreddit and not an official Labour Party statement.

I'm sure plenty of people in the Labour Party agree with much of it but it is unofficial and we don't know who controls that subreddit.

Reddit is it's own eco system of misogyny and best off ignored.

Sorry missed that!

Lol. The state of the comments. Apparently biological female is an offensive term. And sex has nothing to do with chromosomes.

And it's apparently mystifying how doctors work out the sex of babies when they are born.

Bunch of misogynistic muppets.

OP sorry not RTFT but looked at link.

Is this just a random Reddit group or something labour party official?

If the former then really. So what? Same old shit. Random group.