Billy Bragg continues to miss the point

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www.theguardian.com/music/2021/oct/29/billy-bragg-boris-johnson-album-politics-tour

'More recently, he said he has faced criticism from “gender-critical campaigners” after he started discussing the human rights of transgender people online. Is he aware of his status as a cisgender man speaking from a position of privilege? “I am very much so, yeah. It’s quite common for me to get called misogynistic simply because I support trans rights, but this is without any reference to all the other issues on which I support the rights of women – on abortion, against male violence.”'

What's the point of supporting women against male violence if you allow male rapists into women's prisons, women's domestic abuse refuges or women's changing rooms?

I 💚 Nehanda. Worth a million of that Bragg.

Any man who says “I support the right to have an abortion” is such a 1980s ally. It’s the kind of a shit a true ally would side-eye as completely fucking obvious.

Billy Bragg: Look you stupid women. I've already supported you on abortion and said that men shouldn't hit you. You're never bloody satisfied are you?

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh, Dudebro!!

Is he aware of his status as a cisgender man speaking from a position of privilege? “I am very much so, yeah. It’s quite common for me to get called misogynistic ..."

Well, you ARE demonstrably and demonstratedly misogynist (and homophobic), Billy Bragg, but that's not what you were asked here. The point here is you're blethering at the top of your neoliberal narcissistic self-serving hypercapitalist lungs on "behalf" of trans people, when you are not trans and know nothing about being trans. In addition to the harm you are doing to women, you are also doing harm to trans people by making them look fucking bonkers (and rapey as hell) and provoking a backlash. This is NOT OK for you to do. No one wants your rape apologism except your fellow misogynists, and rich British men are not an oppressed or marginalised class.

Stop.

@Reptar

Isnt this a logical fallacy - I do so much for X therefore I should get leeway for Y?

Well, it certainly doesn’t work the other way around, does it? You can believe in the rights of trans people to live without discrimination or abuse, you can stand up for those principles - but if you don’t also believe the twaw mantra and have concerns over things like people with working male genitalia being housed with vulnerable women in refugee and prisons, you are a hateful bigot. Blamed for murders and suicides. Lumped in with right-wing nuts.

@HoardingFloralBuntingInACervix

Y'know what? IDGAF if a man 'supports' abortion. A woman's right to abortion serves men as well as women. And saying male violence is bad is the bare minimum. Bourgeois scrotum-bearer.

Well, quite. Just look at the pregnancy and relationship boards to see the number of women being pressurised by men to have abortions. Usually by men with no concept of the physical and emotional toll of having an abortion, particularly after a certain stage of pregnancy.

There is absolutely no reason for men like Bragg to stick their beaks in and speak on behalf of these men against women OTHER than misogyny. He gets called a misogynist because that's what the wanker is.

Oh gawd is this tuneless fud still farting on about things he knows nothing about but presumes he does because he's of the Left and therefore on the side of the angels?

Shut it Billy and stay in yer lane.

@terryleather

Oh gawd is this tuneless fud still farting on about things he knows nothing about but presumes he does because he's of the Left and therefore on the side of the angels?

Shut it Billy and stay in yer lane.

Agree with all of this. Especially "tuneless fud"

I feel like that line from Made in Dagenham is needed here...

"That's as it should be!"

Tuneless fud.😂🤣 That will probably wound him more than being called a misogynist.

It's such a great question though, 'I know you tirelessly campaign on behalf of trans people to the extent that your hatred of women is laid bare for all to see but will you kneel.and kiss the ring Billy? Will you, you cisgender scum? KISS THE FUCKING RING'

I mean how in thrall to a load of wankers do you need to be to not go, 'hang on a fucking minute...' when you are required to abase yourself like this?

It really never fails to amaze how so many men (and women too) are prepared to humiliate themselves in public to back this shit.

Was just listening to Julie Bindel being interviewed on Bari Weiss' podast (whole thing is great, highly recommend) and she describes men like Bragg perfectly (the bit about "progressive" men is from 1:09:10) open.spotify.com/episode/6Oil1HHkd2V2s0P2eBwhkT

It's a good trick sometimes to turn these things on their head so you can see them for what they are. .Has anybody in the history of politics ever said "I do support male violence"?

Putin? 'Better than Putin' isn't the bar I set myself. Maybe Billy has lower standards.

I bet he couldn’t explain what he means when he talks about ‘male violence’.

It’s getting harder to say you can’t see an issue. It’s now obvious that he can see an issue but he just doesn’t care about the people it affects.

@invisiblecats 14:09 great link worth a subscribe thankyou

twitter.com/JoolzDenby/status/1454356317322326017?t=-n9gZR-h5yrAHvuTUoBkKw&s=19

Fellow performer gives her perspective on the Johnson+Bragg incident.

Billy Bragg is replying to her, being totally disingenuous about the power imbalance between him and other performers, and failing to grasp that it's only a yes, if the other person can say no without fear of adverse career consequences.

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OK I’m calling this one out. I was an unwilling participant in the BBC Glastonbury @billybragg & @BorisJohnson roadshow. Without prior warning that afternoon I was told part of my set at the Theatre Marquee was to be given

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to Billy Bragg and Boris Johnson for a radio special described to me as an ‘Opposites Attract’ type thing. I did not want to cut my set short but was given no choice. The stage crew were not impressed either. Bragg & Johnson turned up

with their BBC handlers and Bragg, who I knew from when he supported New Model Army, looked perfectly ok with Johnson throughout. There was no indication this was anything other than a career move for Bragg. He looked vaguely sheepish about having spoilt my performance and he sang a song for the radio then that gloyte Johnson tried to recite from the Classics and just looked an absolute fool. Afterwards as they swept out, Johnson leered at me and said ‘love your teeth’ in regards to my having a gold incisor.

Bragg is a career entertainer. He had no compunction about taking advantage of a fellow artiste. He was perfectly happy with the career opportunities provided by the BBC even if that meant sharing a stage with a Tory extremist. He now betrays women and women’s struggle in much the same way - it’s for his career. He has the opportunity as a famous man to rewrite his PR mistakes publicly. But he forgets others witnessed the reality.

I doubt anyone gives a shit what an obscure old poet-artist in the North of England thinks of his goings on, but there we go. Truth will out.

Totally agree that Billy Bragg is one of those blokes who thinks that because he is of the Left he is right about everything and a generally 'great guy'.

Still kind of laughing at the 'oh, but I'm against male violence and everything, why are they being so unfair to me'....

@terryleather

Oh gawd is this tuneless fud still farting on about things he knows nothing about but presumes he does because he's of the Left and therefore on the side of the angels?

Shut it Billy and stay in yer lane.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🙋‍♀️

I saw him on the news tonight. I couldn't believe what drivel he was sprouting.

Saying Trans community needed supporting. And when questioned and asked about women and upsetting them about the feminine side of things he said yes these two camps needed to be reconciled and he believed it was all down to male violence and that was the main problem and if we could just reconcile, so that we could bring the two groups together.

I can't believe he's so stupid that he honestly thinks the main problem is male violence. Yes male violence is clearly A problem but if he honestly thinks that's the main problem then we've got nowhere left to go with him.

For an intelligent man surely he has read around the subject? It would appear not.

Bill Bag is a feminists feminist and we are just nasty old women who dont like men in dresses

That interview is absolutely hilarious all the way through 😀

What s twat. Embarrassing. There's some corkers in there!

I'm going to bung some here. Together they really say something about him and I'm not sure what he was aiming for 😂😂😂