Drink and needle spiking and mixed sex toilets.

[IvyTwines2]

A middle-aged man discussing spiking (drinks and jabbing) on BBC radio a few days ago dismissed the idea of people being jabbed because, he maintained, the drug would be so fast-acting the attacker wouldn't be able to get the victim somewhere else to assault them. A young woman on the radio this morning described being spiked, retreating to the venue toilet and the man following her in. I appreciate this can happen in a dark, busy venue with single sex toilets too, but it's so much easier now for a man to follow a woman unchallenged into a mixed sex toilet to assault her.

I think everyone's imagining a normal needle - but have you seen the auto-injectors they have these days? Very much like a pen - below is an example, but they're being used for loads of stuff these days - both single shot, and multi-dose (where you twist the end to set up the next delivery)

www.hospimedica.com/critical-care/articles/294739690/autoinjector-pen-helps-multiple-sclerosis-patients.html

I'm not going looking, but it would be as simple as anything for someone to re-fill existing ones (eg. an epi-pen or a diet hormone pen) or I can imagine that it wouldn't be crazy to think that someone could be selling them pre-filled on the dark web.

I honestly think that the needle puncture and fear is the more likely reason, and that yes, spiking someone with extra shots of booze is much more easy,

but I also don't think that it's a massive logistical problem to get an injectable. I do hope that evidence would have been found by now, just like they find evidence of other drugs/GHB/whatever - although I can imagine that especially if it was re-using other devices, perhaps it's been overlooked.