For the Attention of Posters in the "bloody terf" thread

[PurgatoryOfPotholes]

So we can stop disrupting the OP's thread, and continue the discussion here.

But a transwoman is someone who is of the sex class of male (including penis, testicles etc) who identifies as a woman. So we do know which sex class people are in? Because you said it's really difficult to tell?

Bingo.

they simply do not want to be "men" at all

People don't want a lot of things. Many of those things aren't up to them.

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

you don't seem to identity with women much if I may say so *@SillyStrings423, for all that you're very sure you identify as* one

you don't seem to like us much

I was thinking the exact same thing. Why would someone "identify as" something they clearly despise so much? Why the hell do such blatant misogynists want to be women?

Ideally, I'd find myself simply wake up with the kind of body I want, but the next best thing is to simply reshape my own body and identity over time, using the means avaliable to me.

Seriously, you need to accept that there are things you cannot have. You can have cosmetic surgery, but there are things that will not change.

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

you don't seem to identity with women much if I may say so *@SillyStrings423, for all that you're very sure you identify as* one

you don't seem to like us much

Can't speak for them, by why would a trans woman have to like you specifically?

recognizing trans women as facing many of the same forms of oppression

The thing is, I actually do think trans women and female people have genuine causes in common. We both suffer from gender stereotypes, toxic masculinity and the violence of angry males.

We should be allies.

But we are not the same. We are not interchangeable. Yes we have shared challenges, but female people also have our own challenges and because of that sometimes we need space and protections for our sex, and sometimes we need to speak and be heard as a valid social and political group.

Right now, Genderists are attempting to take that from us so we have to step up and fight for our right to exist and be different and sometimes to be separate to trans women. The Genderist demand that we be exactly the same is forcing us to focus on our differences, to feel like we are on different sides.

But if that went away, if Genderists were able to just say "ok, sometimes sex does matter, let's sit down together and work out when we prioritise gender and when we prioritise sex", we could be genuine allies.

Ironically, the more Genderists claim we are the same the more they force us to focus on our differences. If they would only acknowledge and accept our differences, we could start to focus on what we share instead.

It's like a bloody round-a-bout

The same person saying biological sex is irrelevant, impossible to tell anyway, nothing to do with being a man or woman, talks about re-shaping their body to look more like people of the opposite sex. So biological sex and visual sex characteristics are actually relevant and even central to someone's gender identity after all.

It's like listening to an everything and nothing all at the same time argument but on repeat forever with these people.

Can't speak for them, by why would a trans woman have to like you specifically?

It's clearly a general "us" meaning women

The same person saying biological sex is irrelevant, impossible to tell anyway, nothing to do with being a man or woman, talks about re-shaping their body to look more like people of the opposite sex. So biological sex and visual sex characteristics are actually relevant and even central to someone's gender identity after all.

Indeed. Can they not even see it?

*Bitter that recognizing trans women as facing many of the same forms of oppression will somehow make your own victimhood feel less "exclusive" and "special".

Did Sillystrings say this (can't find it, was it deleted?)*

Yes silly did say this. And worse. I reported it for the abuse that it was.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Can't speak for them, by why would a trans woman have to like you specifically?

It's clearly a general "us" meaning women

Is it?

Good on you Whatiswrongwithmyknee, thank you.

There are lot of things make me angry about the whole situation but the idea that being abused and subjugated as a woman is enviable FUCKING BOILS MY PISS.

Having said that I agree with Blibby's post below too – TW and women could support each other if we could all be realistic about what we are and our differences - and some TW do seek that kind of respectful relationship. It's not impossible.

Is it?

Yes.

@MrsMadderRose

Good on you Whatiswrongwithmyknee, thank you.

There are lot of things make me angry about the whole situation but the idea that being abused and subjugated as a woman is enviable FUCKING BOILS MY PISS.

Having said that I agree with Blibby's post below too – TW and women could support each other if we could all be realistic about what we are and our differences - and some TW do seek that kind of respectful relationship. It's not impossible.

I agree. The victims here are not just women, they are also the TW who recognise that TWATW and do seek respectful relationships. Silly is not just victimising women with such aggressive abusive statements.

BTW, I may not have been the only one to report the post. It was abhorrent.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Is it?

Yes.

I have to say, I don't see it. What they said didn't seem to be about women in general, more so about GC women specifically.

I saw it. I thought it was very clear that it was "women" as a class.

What they said didn't seem to be about women in general, more so about GC women specifically.

the 'us' i used was about women in general. which women were being singled out for SillyString's hateful comments is something you'll have to check with them I'm afraid

God are we on with the performative obtusity again? Really?

@MrsMadderRose

Good on you Whatiswrongwithmyknee, thank you.

There are lot of things make me angry about the whole situation but the idea that being abused and subjugated as a woman is enviable FUCKING BOILS MY PISS.

Having said that I agree with Blibby's post below too – TW and women could support each other if we could all be realistic about what we are and our differences - and some TW do seek that kind of respectful relationship. It's not impossible.

I mean, you're the one who seems to insist on invalidating trans women's identities and reinforcing a seperation at every turn, seen even here with "TW and women", seemingly pressing the point on how they're "not real women" and inadvertently alienating them in the process.

This doesn't exactly encourage solidarity.

It wouldn't actually hurt to use adjective like "cis" to identify someone as not being trans – that's what the term means. The persistent need to assert yourself "above" trans women is more a matter of pride than anything else.

fuck me

do you people operate some sort of ticket based relay system?

you all say the same things

Read Blibbyblobby's post at 21.40

it explains eloquently why men who identify as women and women are not the same

It wouldn't actually hurt to use adjective like "cis" to identify someone as not being trans – that's what the termmeans. The persistent need to assert yourself "above" trans women is more a matter of pride than anything else.

Yes. It. Would.

Now this is going to seem blunt. But that's life.

There are a great many words that trans activists don't like which I am not using. In return, I expect that you do not call anyone except yourself "cis".

This is called reciprocity.

Do you seriously not wonder why it's being backed by people like Boris Johnson, Matt Walsh, or Andy Ngo? Why the entirety of the reactionary right-wing movement seems to be backing the GC view on trans issues?

Shockingly, they also believe as I do that the Earth orbits the Sun and that Covid vaccinations do not put microchips into your body.

SillyStrings, could you explain to me why I should want to give up the right to women-only spaces, when these reduce my risk of being assaulted by men?

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

I saw it. I thought it was very clear that it was "women" as a class.

Well, I would say something to that, but you wouldn't take it well.

Let me just say that ideological groups often consider attacks on themselves to be attacks on the entire demographic group they claim to represent.

Like how all sorts of chauvinists think criticism of their behavior is an attack on all men.