For the Attention of Posters in the "bloody terf" thread

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So we can stop disrupting the OP's thread, and continue the discussion here.

Haven't read the thread but I have just spent the weekend with my BAME LGB friends in Brighton laughing about how everything isn't intersectional enough. Literally everything we have done this weekend was a hate crime. And I suffered non stop micro aggressions as an indigenous person. It was very funny.
Jokes are funny 😃

@Blibbyblobby

Well, the biggest issue with this is that there aren't many spaces for non-binary people, and the GC movement is not exactly helping with that...

You are joking right? GC people are entirely behind third spaces! It’s the Genderists that won’t consider them.

Are you just straight up things that are the exact opposite of true? You are the ones yelling "two sexes, two sexes!" all over the place, whereas """genderists""" are pushing for unisex spaces.

I hope not, because I was enjoying the pattern of SillyStrings423
SpookySeason77

and NoNotMeNoSiree doesn't have enough S's. Ruins the pattern.

I want a name like SilverShell23 to join in next!

Which is probably going to happen anyways, considering GC forums aren't known for condoning dissent for very long.

What nonsense. If you did get banned it would be for the multiple personal attacks you have made.

It's a resounding #NoThankYou on your attempts to dictate other people's identities.

I did explain this earlier in the thread but I get the feeling spooky jumped into the middle and didn’t take the time to read what was already said so I’ll repeat it…

Since Gender Critical people simply do not attach any concept of Identity to the physical fact of sex, it is literally impossible to "link" or "police" or “dictate” an identity through a Gender Critical use of sex, because the Gender Critical concept of sex says nothing whatsoever about Identity - that is literally the whole bloody point of being Gender Critical!

It was Genderists who redefined Woman and Man to be identities not just physical facts, and it's Genderists who then complain that imposing Woman or Man, or any provision based on sex, is "restricting and policing other people's identities".

The irony is that for all the pointing fingers at GC, Misgendering can only exist in the Genderist world. It is a problem Genderists invented for themselves when they appropriated the pre-existing sex names to label their concepts of gender, because they themselves, by their own choices, have put themselves in the position of having to interpret any sex-based application of those labels as a statement about Identity.

If the daft beggars had just picked different names for their ideas of gender none of this would even be an issue.

Makes you wonder why they didn’t, doesn’t it?

You are welcome to unisex spaces. Just not by taking away our female only spaces.

whereas """genderists""" are pushing for unisex spaces.

That's great! So women have a space, men have a space and genderists have a unisex space. I guess that's how it works?

SoftStone92
SoapSupper12

@MonsignorMirth

I'd encourage everyone to go back and re-read BlibbyBlobby's posts in this thread.

And to mildly chuckle at people who say 'I am certain you are all cisgender' and then 'It's a resounding #NoThankYou on your attempts to dictate other people's identities.'

Transphobic cis people being all coy with "uhh, technically I reject gender" after hours and hours of saying gender labels must strictly be used in a way that aligns with one's sex isn't the revolutionary idea you people think it is.

And no, I genuinely do not give a damn that you do not consider the words "man" and "woman" to be the gender labels they are.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

whereas """genderists""" are pushing for unisex spaces.

That's great! So women have a space, men have a space and genderists have a unisex space. I guess that's how it works?

We still oppose exclusion of trans women from women's spaces though.

Women aren't bleedin rectangles!

Indeed. Nor are we, and it's important to remember this, nor are we clownfish.

It's funny to watch the desperate redefinition of commonplace words. However, in this instance, the redefinition of 'women' to include some men does seem to have the explicit aim of alienating women from their own noun, depriving us from the means to even describe ourselves. It is deeply sinister and wholly abusive, coming as it does from the oppressor class in an attempt to further colonise the oppressed. It is to be resisted.

My posts literally described woman as a gender label, several times.
It's almost cute how you falsely state what I say, like a 4 year old!

We still oppose exclusion of trans women from women's spaces though.

Why? When genderists, according to you, want unisex spaces? Have at them! Is it that you can't bear the idea of female only spaces existing? Sounds a bit petty?

Well, the biggest issue with this is that there aren't many spaces for non-binary people, and the GC movement is not exactly helping with that...

How do you think GC women should be helping you solve your space problem?

We still oppose exclusion of trans women from women's spaces •though

Why are you pushing for unisex spaces if transwomen can’t use them?

Are you just straight up things that are the exact opposite of true? You are the ones yelling "two sexes, two sexes!" all over the place, whereas """genderists""" are pushing for unisex spaces.

I said Third spaces. Third. In addition to the sex-specific spaces.

I really don’t care how it’s cut and how many extra provisions are made as long as female people, of any gender identity, have access to single sex provisions when they need them.

Yet somehow, no matter how tolerant Genderists claim to be, that’s the one thing that cannot be accommodated. I wonder why.

We still oppose exclusion of trans women from women's spaces though.
Is it not rather that you insist on the inclusion of transwoman in female only spaces , despite them not being female.?

Transphobic cis people

That's not our identity. It's a word which only makes sense in an ideology we reject. Like saying people are infidels or heretics because they don't believe in your god.

gender labels

If we don't give a toss about identity and your gender labels.
you all disappear, as you keep telling us. So go ahead, cease to exist. No one cares.

@allmywhat

We still oppose exclusion of trans women from women's spaces •though

Why are you pushing for unisex spaces if transwomen can’t use them?

I didn't say can't.

The idea is that unisex spaces would be available to anyone who doesn't want to use either women's or men's spaces, be it non-binary people or closeted trans people.

But trans women and trans men do feel comfortable using women's and men's restrooms respectively, especially in later stages of their transition to the point they blend in without causing any trouble, I see no reason why they shouldn't.

See, the thing is, there'd be nothing stopping you from genuinely identifying as non-binary. The issue is that, considering literally everything you've said, you're being blatantly facetious.

Sigh. You can't be non-binary if you don't buy into the binary conceptualisation. In your brave new world, I actually consider myself agender. You really need to stop telling other people how they identify.

Many none binary people are actually quite happy with single sex systems

Cos like just because you have a none binary gender identity does not mean you don't see that sex isn't none binary

Like you still know if you are the "could get pregnant " type

Well, the biggest issue with this is that there aren't many spaces for non-binary people

There aren't many non binary people.

Not enough to register in population counts in data collection to 13 decimal places.

It is probably one of the most trivial youth movements ever, the only characteristic it seems to have is a desire for a certificate.

Dull as fuck.

But trans women and trans men do feel comfortable using women's and men's restrooms respectively, especially in later stages of their transition to the point they blend in without causing any trouble, I see no reason why they shouldn't.

Interesting, so you think they shouldn't use them if they are early in their "transition" or don't "blend in"?