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Have you read @FemmeLoves speech about PSNI and He Who Shall Not Be Named?

163 replies

ditalini · 22/10/2021 17:15

Powerful, powerful stuff.

More power to you Ceri.

ceriblack.substack.com/p/full-text-of-my-speech-to-the-belfast

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Sn0tnose · 23/10/2021 09:30

This woman is a bloody warrior.

Wrong side of history my arse. History will look back on these women like we look back at the Suffragettes. They’re doing so much to save women and children, most of whom don’t even realise the danger yet.

LaurenBlack · 23/10/2021 09:39

[quote PurgatoryOfPotholes]I want everyone to see what kind of contributions we'd lose if Ceri did "leave the debate".

Ask yourself, can our society afford to have women like this chased out of the public sphere by threats of rape and murder?

I don't think we can.

thread

This is a thread about why telling girls to “avert your eyes” when they see people with penises in the changing room is so wrong. It is a thread about red flags, and seeing no evil and why most people fail child safeguarding at the very first hurdle.

The sexual abuse of children thrives in the dark. Most abused children have multiple people in their life who “half know” what’s going on. Most people I have told as adults said something like “I had my suspicions.” Many people in authority had the chance to intervene and did not

For example, my father lost his teaching job for inappropriate sexual behaviour with teenage girls. He had three daughters at home, the oldest of which was a teenager. No investigation of his home life was done, he was allowed to retire quietly.

All a child abuser asks is that you politely look the other way. See no evil. Don’t cause any waves. Weesht. Just mind your business, wash your hands of it like Pontius Pilate. After all, it’s only suspicion. He’s harmless. Sure he does loads for the community, avert your eyes.

An abused child cries out to be heard, is desperate to be heard, but the things she has to tell you are horrific. An abused child demands action of you, action which may result in the fracturing of your family and your community. Easier to avert your eyes. See no evil.

I can feel it in me now, still, that desperate need to be heard, seen, believed. The loneliness of not being believed. The absolute betrayal of the adults in my life who should have protected me, and instead, protected the men abusing me. They averted their eyes.

I didn’t need to “tell” what was happening to me. Everybody knew. Instead of taking action, I was labelled a bad kid, a “terrible teenager,” because sexual abuse caused hypersexuality, and led to me seeking out situations in which I could be reabused. I was shamed for their sin.

I just accepted it – ok, I’m the bad guy. I’m a slut, I’m responsible, as a young teenager, for adult men wanting to fuck me. I didn’t have the language or understanding to explain any of it, and even if I had, I would have been blamed instead of helped. I just needed to be seen.

But nobody saw me, they just saw this terrible teenager, this slut, this lost girl who put herself in harm's way, who climbed out of her window and fucked strangers and got falling down drunk and didn't care what happened to her. Nobody really looked beyond that. Avert your eyes.

Averting your eyes is loaded language for abuse victims in another way, though. There’s a defence mechanism called dissociation which involves essentially averting your eyes from your own experience. I went away in my head.

I can remember very little of what I actually did not just when I was being abused, but of all the sex I have ever had with men as an adult. I just went away in my head. I have fractured, broken images, but mostly I averted my eyes, Elvis has left the building.

Victims’ tendency to blame ourselves for what happened is another way to avert our eyes. We can’t look squarely at a person who was supposed to protect us, and accept that they abused us instead. So I went back and forth between the poles of a Hobson’s choice.

My father used to make it feel like the sun was coming out. He sat me on his knee and sat me on his workbench and threw me in the air. I loved him. If he was a bad man, then one of the only bright spots in my childhood wasn’t real, and I had lived without love.

Easier to avert my eyes from evil, literally, to see no evil. Easier to take the shame on myself. Easier to conclude that it was me who was bad, that I deserved it. But if you see no evil, you take that evil on yourself, and live without love either way.

This aversion of the gaze is why abuse victims’ accounts of what happened to them may sound deceptive, even to professional lie detectors. Dissociation, guilt and shame conspire to make truthful narratives sound like lies, full of holes.

It is also why victims so often feel so desperate to speak, to tell the truth about what happened to them, and so desperate to be heard, to be believed. I used to feel like I was in a crowded room, screaming, but everybody just looked the other way.

The first rule of child safeguarding is that if you see a red flag, you have a duty, as an adult, to take action on it. A penis in a women’s changing room is the red flag equivalent of the Kremlin on the anniversary of Lenin’s death.

If you are swinging your dick in the women's changing room, you are not dysphoric. I am married to somebody who lives with dysphoria. If you're dysphoric, you want to hide. This is not a case of a trans person just wanting to get changed. Make no mistake, this is a pervert.

It is already flashing, which is a sexual offence. The men and women saying, without a hint of irony, “avert your eyes” are directly enabling sexual abuse. They are giving a free pass to flashers. They are emboldening perverts. They are feckless, thoughtless cowards.

They are averting their eyes, they are seeing no evil. They are excusing predators and perverts with whatever excuse seems most fitting to them. And they are encouraging others to do the same. I hope they are proud of themselves.

It couldn’t be me. I swore, before I had children, that little people would be safer around me. That I would see red flags and act on them, that I would not avert my eyes, not from what happened to me, and not from adults around me.

I am here, looking the truth in the face, and the truth is that defending flashers, perverts and molesters by saying “it’s a woman’s penis,” and doing it in public, is the exact same energy as moving paedophile priests to different parishes.

It is the exact same energy as failing to investigate the home life of a teacher who has teenage daughters, and has lost his job for interfering with teenage girls at school. It is gaslighting, it is covering up for child abuse. It is a cowardly, polite kind of evil

I will leave you with this. I have done a lot of reading about molestation and grooming, trying to understand what happened to me, and learning how to spot red flags, how to protect children. Of all that reading, one phrase stuck with me.

It was from a prolific abuser of children. He said that even if he didn’t actually get to abuse a child that he was grooming, he would “get her ready for the next guy.” Telling a child just to “avert your eyes” is getting her ready for the next guy.

It is breaking down her boundaries. It is telling her to ignore her feelings and her gut. It is gaslighting her. Child molesters are pure evil and fairly rare, but the kind of craven coward who covers for child molesters and blames the victim are ten a penny.

If you say and do these things, you should know what you are. You are Pontious Pilate. You are seeing no evil. You are looking the other way and allowing the sexual abuse of children on your watch, for woke points. I despise you.

From here: twitter.com/FemmeLoves/status/1412316271698448386?s=19[/quote]
Interestingly, this thread was reported to the police as an 'aggravating factor'. One tweet was deleted from this thread. It was an anonymous quote, one that nobody laid claim to writing but that the claimant felt was libellous enough to him for Ceri to have to remove. Not sure why 🤔

Pterfodactyl · 23/10/2021 09:44

@WarriorN

She was also on the mess we're in and described more around the whole thing including the fact her two sons fully support her.
Ceri was brilliant, and incidentally, the only good thing about that episode of The Mess. Helen's face throughout that AGP apologist discussion and at the end, when Ray Blanchard blamed women! Think Karen was right about Arty and his "GC" angle that we should be feeling sorry for these men.
StealthPolarBear · 23/10/2021 09:51

Lauren how can anyone read that and not finish it in tears.
Actually, people with a sinister agenda probably can.
Please give her a hug from kate.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 23/10/2021 09:56

Interestingly, this thread was reported to the police as an 'aggravating factor'. One tweet was deleted from this thread. It was an anonymous quote, one that nobody laid claim to writing but that the claimant felt was libellous enough to him for Ceri to have to remove. Not sure why

What the actual hell? Shock

I didn't think my disgust for trans activists could get any deeper, and then you say that.

Who reports a woman for a thread like that?!

PaleGreenGhost · 23/10/2021 10:09

I can only guess a person who recognises their own behaviour in Ceri's thread might want to get it removed. I cannot understand how anyone could read that and not feel for Ceri and all victims of child abuse but clearly there are many people I don't fully understand.

There will always be people who are able to dehumanise others to this extent, I'm sure. What is depressing is that those people still make up so much of the establishment. A good police force would have turned this back on the male who objected to the thread and considered whether there was a red flag right there.

ArabellaScott · 23/10/2021 10:10

Who reports a woman for a thread like that?!

Hmm
TheABC · 23/10/2021 10:37

I have long considered the TRA movement to be MRAs in frocks, but Ceri has made it clear how much deeper and sicker it goes.

Fuck it. Up until now, it's been about holding the line on women's rights, but it's clear that's not enough. Not when you have these double standards in the police, the appalling prosecution record on rape and surge in sexual violence due to hardcore porn.

We need to push forward. Demand better, expect better. From GRA reform to a policing overhaul. We make up 51% of the population and it's time we were heard.

Clymene · 23/10/2021 11:17

Anyone who wants to stop a woman talking about her experience of child sexual abuse should be looked at very carefully by the police.

What a remarkably brave and articulate woman.

Reading Ceri's words, I'm reminded of Jess Bradley and it occurred to me that a lot of women who are new to all this might not know about Bradley.

Bradley was the first NUS transgender student officer who was suspended after posting photographs of a penis in public spaces, including what looked like their desk, on their blog.

To my knowledge, the results of the NUS investigation into Bradley have never been published, nor have there been any criminal charges. Bradley appears to have disappeared from public view.

www.womenarehuman.com/transgender-students-officer-suspended-for-allegedly-publishing-pictures-of-male-genitalia-faces-no-additional-sanctions-jess-bradley/

KittenKong · 23/10/2021 11:21

Nothing happened to JB though did it?

Clymene · 23/10/2021 11:23

@KittenKong

Nothing happened to JB though did it?
Nope, it all just went away. Despite the overwhelming evidence. Hired a very expensive law firm. I suspect mummy and daddy have money
andyoldlabour · 23/10/2021 11:34

That is a powerful piece of writing from a very strong woman.
I am not going to attempt to describe the vile creature who is putting her through this, or the totally captured Northern Ireland police.

purpleboy · 23/10/2021 11:54

Sending love and support to Ceri and for you too Lauren. Many many women standing with you.

TurquoiseBaubles · 23/10/2021 12:05

A lot of that thread from Ceri reminds me of the stuff that Lisa Muggeridge used to say, and for which she was bullied and abused, was banned from Twitter, and felt (for her safety and that of her children) that she had to withdraw from the conversation for a while.

Her YouTube Channel should have been required viewing for every single person involved in child safeguarding. Sadly it appears to have been deleted www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4109571-Lisa-Muggeridge-is-back-on-YouTube

Like Ceri, she understands the "getting the child ready for the next guy". The softening of boundaries and the looking the other way is the basis of abuse.

teawamutu · 23/10/2021 13:26

a cowardly, polite kind of evil

Wow. Such powerful words.

Please bring on the gardening! I'm desperate to dig for Ceri.

LastSummerHere · 23/10/2021 13:47

The NI police has always been rotten. It's very foundation is one of supremacy and collusion in oppression. The image change from the old, sectarian, misogynistic RUC was just that....an image change. The core remains the same.

FindTheTruth · 24/10/2021 14:17

There's an update on Glinner

Bosky · 24/10/2021 22:23

@FindTheTruth

There's an update on Glinner
"Did an anti-paedophile thread bring the police to Ceri Black's door?" Northern Ireland police are trying to shut down an abuse survivor who is also an expert on child safeguarding

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/did-an-anti-paedophile-thread-bring

SpindelWhorl · 24/10/2021 22:34

That bloke's allegedly also got a friend who's an MP and former Cabinet Member.

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 24/10/2021 22:42

He's also got his very own Twitter Troll - man at a bus stop. He's sent out a call to arms Smile

DefineHappy · 25/10/2021 08:58

@SpindelWhorl

That bloke's allegedly also got a friend who's an MP and former Cabinet Member.
He quite obviously has very particular friends in very particular places, if 2 women are facing the same police interview/investigation techniques because of the complaints of the same man about their tweets/words.
FindTheTruth · 25/10/2021 09:40

OOOH now this is a new initiative. A supporter of Ceri has sent this to PSNI Chief Constable Byrne. Ceri suggests others do the same

Have you read @FemmeLoves speech about PSNI and He Who Shall Not Be Named?
SpindelWhorl · 25/10/2021 09:46

I think his email would be [email protected]?? Is that the normal format? I know he'll have a PA but he would likely have his attention drawn to a large number of emails on the same subject.

FindTheTruth · 25/10/2021 09:46

@SpindelWhorl

That bloke's allegedly also got a friend who's an MP and former Cabinet Member.
Penny Mordaunt's brother was engaged to him. Penny said “Let me say […] from this despatch box that trans men are men, and trans women are women.”

Clip of Penny when discussing the Maternity bill in March

SpindelWhorl · 25/10/2021 13:23

If Penny Mordaunt MP, former Secretary of State for Defence, has had her name bandied about by A Certain Someone, and/or is a personal friend or acquaintance; and given that Penny Mordaunt MP is a known supporter of gender identity ideology to the point of spouting it as government policy from the front bench - indeed, from the despatch box, as Paymaster General - when it actually isn't government policy at all; then is there a public interest in being able to discuss this openly?

I am always so careful with what I say on here, as MNHQ don't need the grief. However it's a big story in the making. I know of at least one Police and Crime Commissioner who has been introduced to A Certain Someone by A Certain Conservative MP, and I'm thinking that all this should be fully disclosed by those involved now if name-dropping is happening to impress police officers.