Maya back in court tomorrow (20th Oct)

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

hiyamaya.net/2021/10/19/gendered-intelligence-trains-judges-in-secret-i-am-going-to-court-to-try-to-break-the-secrecy/

Training for judges is carried out by the Judicial College, this training is said to be “by judges, for judges”. But in 2018 Judge Sian Davies proudly revealed in an in-house magazine for judges, that the Employment Tribunal and the Immigration Tribunal judges had received training from Gendered Intelligence.

There is no information on this training in the Judicial College’s published Review of Activities.

In March 2020 I submitted a Freedom of Information request asking dates and details of the training including:

– Cost of the training
– Contract/agreement/TORs for commissioning the training
– Copies of any presentation material and/or hand outs used
– Which judges attended the training^

The Ministry of Justice refused the request, saying that it didn’t hold the information. I asked for a review by the Judicial College. The Judicial College said it only holds information on behalf of the judiciary, and in any case is not covered by FOI and is therefore exempt from disclosure. I complained to the Information Commissioner who also agreed that the public had no right to have any information on Gendered Intelligence’s training of judges (or indeed any other lobby group training judges in secret).

Tomorrow the case goes to tribunal. I am represented in this case by barrister Naomi Cunningham.

It's terrifying the way that the whole justice system has swallowed Stonelaw.

@Lovelyricepudding

And according to Maya her first judge used information presented in that training as evidence against her case even though she was not given any opportunity to challenge it (as it had been presented to the judge in secret 'training'/infoctrination).

That does explain a lot. No wonder the judge in that tribunal made such biased comments.

I immediately thought that the comments made by that awful judge in the first case must have motivated this court case. Maya must have delved deeper into finding out exactly why exactly such a shocking judgement was arrived at that first time.

Thank God the appeal judge hadn't swallowed the Gendered Intelligence bullshit. There are some actual professionals out there.

Following with interest

Does anyone know Maya need any help gardening?

So I guess we can assume the judge who made Maria McLaughlin refer to her male attacker as "she" was Gendered Intelligence-ed too

Have all judges swallowed the magic sprinkles?
Just comparing the first Forstater tribunal to the second.

Or, more nuanced appreciation of the case / application of law?

Or senior judges get different training?

The judiciary are in fact compelling people to commit perjury when giving evidence.

I didn’t even know this was happening!

I used to be at the bar and have spoken to a number of judges about this. It’s a unmitigated fucking disaster.

The vast majority of judges are decent men. They want to do the right thing. They also tend to be MC, white and privileged with little to no understanding of the trans issues raging.

It’s a dangerous combination. They don’t want to say or do the wrong thing so they lap up the training given by lobby groups, legitimately believing in what they’re told and genuinely fearing that they might actually be bigots when they find this stuff doesn’t make sense.

Is there a crowd funder anywhere to support her?.
I don't just mean the case, I mean Maya personally, didn't she lose her job over this?

I do think that if you have never been 'on the wrong side of history' this is much easier.

If you grew up (as many people did) in a household that was a bit racist and a bit homophobic and went to a school.where everyone was a bit racist and a bit homophobic and you were maybe a bit racist and a bit homophobic when you were younger - and you now look back and cringe - it must be so easy to think 'well I was wrong then, maybe I'm wrong now'.

But if you campaigned against racism and section 28 or were a victim of those things it's so easy to see how this is different.

I think this every time the fox killer pontificates on Twitter...

pegasus (inner?). Me too I’m proud to know as many women judges as men in my contemporary group and more generally and I agree with what you’ve said.

It’s a dangerous combination. They don’t want to say or do the wrong thing so they lap up the training given by lobby groups, legitimately believing in what they’re told and genuinely fearing that they might actually be bigots when they find this stuff doesn’t make sense

I think the same may be true of the senior management of healthcare who you would expect to be more resistant to the particularly egregious transgressions of science.

Maybe you're right.
I grew up in a racist sexist homophobic family and to be honest they're all actually delighted about the way the country is going. The trans issue isn't even on their radar and I can pretty much guarantee that if it was they would be anti trans (not pro women).
This is the first time in my life I haven't been on the side of the perceived (falsely) underdog. I remember demonstrating infront of the South African embassy in the 80s and being involved in the London anti racism movement. Also marching against section 28 and gay pride marches when they were marches not parades. I sometimes find myself really uncomfortable on this side of the trans debate when I look around and see some of the people I'm standing with. I'm not anti trans, not at all, but I am pro women and pro biological fact.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-7-principles-of-public-life/the-7-principles-of-public-life--2

1. The Seven Principles of Public Life

The Seven Principles of Public Life (also known as the Nolan Principles) apply to anyone who works as a public office-holder. This includes all those who are elected or appointed to public office, nationally and locally, and all people appointed to work in the Civil Service, local government, the police, courts and probation services, non-departmental public bodies (NDPBs), and in the health, education, social and care services. All public office-holders are both servants of the public and stewards of public resources. The principles also apply to all those in other sectors delivering public services.

1.1 Selflessness
Holders of public office should act solely in terms of the public interest.

1.2 Integrity
Holders of public office must avoid placing themselves under any obligation to people or organisations that might try inappropriately to influence them in their work. They should not act or take decisions in order to gain financial or other material benefits for themselves, their family, or their friends. They must declare and resolve any interests and relationships.

1.3 Objectivity
Holders of public office must act and take decisions impartially, fairly and on merit, using the best evidence and without discrimination or bias.

1.4 Accountability
Holders of public office are accountable to the public for their decisions and actions and must submit themselves to the scrutiny necessary to ensure this.

1.5 Openness
Holders of public office should act and take decisions in an open and transparent manner. Information should not be withheld from the public unless there are clear and lawful reasons for so doing.

1.6 Honesty
Holders of public office should be truthful.

1.7 Leadership
Holders of public office should exhibit these principles in their own behaviour. They should actively promote and robustly support the principles and be willing to challenge poor behaviour wherever it occurs.

@SpindelWhorl

Gendered Intelligence 'trained' Stonewall in 2015/16, didn't they? One of their people is big in Portsmouth University?

This explains A LOT! GI have so far escaped a lot of the scrutiny SW is getting, but they’re responsible for so much, they deserve their time out in the sunlight.

Is there a crowd funder anywhere to support her?. I don't just mean the case, I mean Maya personally, didn't she lose her job over this?

I don't think she's after personal donations, but you can donate to Sex Matters, which she co-founded.

I'm not actually sure how she's making a living, at the moment. But if Sex Matters gets enough backers, she could take a salary from there.

Yep, Gendered Intelligence put the T into Stonewall under the new leadership of Ruth Hunt. In their document A Vision For Change: acceptance without exception 2017-2022 it says,

We have worked with Gendered Intelligence to train all our staff on key issues for trans people.

www.stonewall.org.uk/system/files/a_vision_for_change.pdf

This 'training' happened in 2015 and 2016.

@HeronLanyon (middle )

I actually don’t know many women judges well, but one of my dearest friends is a male circuit judge and the convos we have would break your heart. He’s a good man but so unaware on this.

It's maddening. iirc, the MBM thread that I have in mind was about the Scots Gov. refusing to publish the responses to the GRA consultation because 'they didn't answer the questions'.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4293752-Scottish-Government-hiding-GRA-Consultation-results?messages=100&pg=1

is anyone live tweeting?

twitter.com/search?q=(from%3Amforstater)&src=typed_query&f=live

@RainbowCrossing

I do think that if you have never been 'on the wrong side of history' this is much easier.

If you grew up (as many people did) in a household that was a bit racist and a bit homophobic and went to a school.where everyone was a bit racist and a bit homophobic and you were maybe a bit racist and a bit homophobic when you were younger - and you now look back and cringe - it must be so easy to think 'well I was wrong then, maybe I'm wrong now'.

But if you campaigned against racism and section 28 or were a victim of those things it's so easy to see how this is different.

I think this every time the fox killer pontificates on Twitter...

Brilliant post. 👏 Old hacks who marched for gay rights or against Apartheid can see through this stuff. What's progressive about sexism and child exploitation. Plus I think I know a fascist bully when I see one.

@FindTheTruth

is anyone live tweeting?

Starts here:

twitter.com/MForstater/status/1450751432601260032?s=20