Creeping feeling I don't belong in this new world

[MothsAreSadButterflies]

It's been hard lockdown no doubt that's added to depression but mind keeps returning to this new world

I've tried to understand it. The ones who fully transition I have less fear of. Their commitment jeans they just fully believe they are opposite sex.

But my mind simply cannot understand trans people who say they opposite sex but are obviously not. It's lying. It feels like gaslighting. Like I am losing my mind. It feels abusive and menacing. Bewildering. Faced with young people especially who demand you to go against your eyes, your senses, your ability to perceive sex. And if you don't you are hateful, sackable, evil.

Cancelled.

In this new world I have no place

Jeans means you know, just must. Typos. Can't even type correctly.

This is why Frankl will never cease to be relevant.

www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07XB4BDK1/?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

It's deeply unpleasant and even alarming to live through this period in history and irrationality but we know that others perceive the same reality and resist the immersive fiction that has ensorcelled so many family and friends and corrupted our leading organisations.

We persist. Reality and the future need our testimony as witnesses to these times.

@MothsAreSadButterflies

It's been hard lockdown no doubt that's added to depression but mind keeps returning to this new world

I've tried to understand it. The ones who fully transition I have less fear of. Their commitment jeans they just fully believe they are opposite sex.

But my mind simply cannot understand trans people who say they opposite sex but are obviously not. It's lying. It feels like gaslighting. Like I am losing my mind. It feels abusive and menacing. Bewildering. Faced with young people especially who demand you to go against your eyes, your senses, your ability to perceive sex. And if you don't you are hateful, sackable, evil.

Cancelled.

In this new world I have no place

You have a place next to me - join me writing to Lib Dems and Labour and Greens (and Tories) asking them to fight for women's rights.

You definitely do have a place in the world OP, alongside the rest of us who have maintained our grip on reality. I do believe most people agree with us but there has been a very successful campaign to push the idea that ours is a hateful, minority viewpoint. Truth will out though, it just might take a while.

Stop reading the news.

Women, and sensible men, are fighting back. We see that the Emperor has no clothes.

I feel the same...I'm so frightened for my children, especially my daughters. BUT I do believe that good will triumph. And truth will always out.

You've nailed exactly how I feel. I feel like I'm in a remake of Invasion of the Bodysnatchers. I've lost all my friends over this issue and I feel sad, lonely, and furious.

@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus

This is why Frankl will never cease to be relevant.

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It's deeply unpleasant and even alarming to live through this period in history and irrationality but we know that others perceive the same reality and resist the immersive fiction that has ensorcelled so many family and friends and corrupted our leading organisations.

We persist. Reality and the future need our testimony as witnesses to these times.

Coincidentally, I just finished listening to his book "Man's Search for Meaning" last night. Haunting, but life affirming too, despite the horrors in an odd way!

I will borrow your recommendation, thanks

@MothsAreSadButterflies I understand, it is really disorientating to have people state as fact something patently untrue. I have been quite anxious about this and I know I might have to step back and focus on other interests and just do the tangible things I can do to help without stressing over the bits out of my control.

It's hard though. Feeling strongly about it is because we care.

Completely agree with you! I like to think there are many friends and colleagues who feel the same, or would if they were aware of what is going on x

I was if exactly that mind last week. I have been a little heartened by Sir Robert Winston stating the truth with clarity and authority.

Thanks for the recommendation of Yes to life. I have bought it for the school library, and I'll read it myself as also feeling very sad.

I share the same feelings, stumbled across the expression ‘queer utopia’ today, not too sure what it really means but it was in relation to education and ‘queers’ should be centred first. I am not sure if this descriptor is a permitted term or not on mumsnet, it certainly not an expression I would use personally to describe someone but this was the expression used by the author. This utopia doesn’t sound very inclusive, sounded quite the opposite. One hopes they mean utopia in the philosophical sense used by Thomas More.

I am reading all your replies. Thank you for taking time to lift me up. I feel I can't talk about it anywhere in real life. It's very close to home with my daughter having trans partner.

Thank you for this recommendation

Viktor E Frankl
Yes To Life In Spite of Everything

Queer utopia is perhaps the future.

I don't read the news but it gets in. Programmes on BBC. Twitter is the worst for it. I can't not go on there part of my job. Sadly.

@MothsAreSadButterflies

Queer utopia is perhaps the future.

I don't read the news but it gets in. Programmes on BBC. Twitter is the worst for it. I can't not go on there part of my job. Sadly.

Can you mute particular words so that the fractious parts of Twitter on this topic don't appear in your timeline?

I think 'queer utopia' is an oxymoron, OP.

Sure there's a place for you here, none of us agree on bloody anything everything, but there are a lot of kind, wise, knowledgeable women on this board who will be happy to chat if you need to.

Their commitment jeans they just fully believe they are opposite sex.

They can have whatever surgery they like and take whatever cross-sex hormones they want but they can never change their sex. Sex in humans is determined at tiime of conception and is immutable.

Alfonso I agree with your viewpoint.
However I feel that level of commitment to living as their perceived idea of a woman is different to just saying I'm a woman but looking, sounding, being a man.

In the cases of trans people who have transitioned I see them as a third space people (something quite remarkable in fact) and can more easily see them as their desired presentation.. even if not really believing they ARE the opposite sex.

www.cambridgesu.co.uk/resources/guides/spottingterfideology/

The link above is why I'm so depressed. Why I feel I don't fit in the new world the kids want.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus
I will investigate muting things. Thanks.

Agree. I feel like I'm stuck in a giant game of dungeons and dragons and I'm trying to make myself heard because only a few of us seem to see the problem. And it would be so easily fixed if the people screaming furiously about 'love is the answer' while threatening and drawing pictures of penises would actually believe in inclusion and diversity instead of that female people are born to be subordinate. (But sex definitely doesn't exist.)

Maybe it'll end like that sci fi film where everyone over a certain age is managed out of the world.

I share your despair, I sometimes feel so alone, however my DH feels the same as me.

But I have days where I cry for sanity

OP, don’t worry. There are millions and millions of us around the world who don’t believe in this absolutely insane rubbish!

There are so many things going on in the world right now that I think are incomprehensible and just pants. I muddle along by focusing on the small positives in my life and the few people I can relate to. I'll probably end up an eccentric recluse.

@MothsAreSadButterflies

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus I will investigate muting things. Thanks.

help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/advanced-twitter-mute-options

It's quite straightforward and I have friends who use it to keep their timelines calm.