How do people think you can change sex?

[CuriousBogInTheNight]

I've obviy not followed closely enough but genuinely how has it become controversial to say you cannot change sex?! Sex is encoded from the moment of conception... Are people thick or have they tried to change the meaning of the word sex?

It's so tedious, having these same tired old tropes wheeled out time and again. Intersex people do not prove a spectrum of sex. People with congenital conditions of sex development have asked many, many times not to be used in this disrespectful and ignorant fashion to prop up the dogma of gender ideologues.

@Alektopteryx

It's so tedious, having these same tired old tropes wheeled out time and again. Intersex people do not prove a spectrum of sex. People with congenital conditions of sex development have asked many, many times not to be used in this disrespectful and ignorant fashion to prop up the dogma of gender ideologues.

Its fucking rude. Are their groups that co opt other chromosomal disorders to push their own agenda?

For clarity, all CCSDs are disorders of either the female or male development pathway. They're not proof of some middle ground between the two.

Those undergoing treatment for gender disphoria were merely trying to correct their bodies

“Merely”.
“Correct”.

Horrifying.

@Alektopteryx

For clarity, all CCSDs are disorders of either the female or male development pathway. They're not proof of some middle ground between the two.

I try not to even discuss CCSDs in this topic - it is such an illogical red herring that even explaining/debating it makes it look like there’s a link. Plus I know a man who has CCSD who is sick of his medical condition being used in this debate and regularly asks people to stop using it as a justification for gender ideology to be made ‘acceptable’.

Those undergoing treatment for gender disphoria were merely trying to correct their bodies

Is this not what an anorexic does when they refuse to eat because they want to correct their body? Why is the removal of healthy body parts different?

With GC people banging on about biological sex it is hardly a red herring. It just proves that biological sex is not a reliable indicator.

@Gottalife

With GC people banging on about biological sex it is hardly a red herring. It just proves that biological sex is not a reliable indicator.

Of what?

It’s a new religion. Maybe people need to believe in something beyond the rational.

@Gottalife

With GC people banging on about biological sex it is hardly a red herring. It just proves that biological sex is not a reliable indicator.

Not an indicator of what? Such a stupid, garbled inane post.

My 14 year old said
"I thought you could have an operation and become the opposite sex".

I can't work out where he has "learnt" that but I think a mixture of pshe/school and social media.

When I explained you couldn't ever change your sex, my younger child was horrified and told me "you mustn't say that in front of the transes!"

I would love to know exactly what they are told in school but I think it's so insidious that speaking the truth about biological sex is deeply shocking.

@dyslek I have read your comment 5 times and I still don't get your point?

@Gottalife Sex is so much more than chromosomes, otherwise there would not be intersex conditions. Jesus Christ, I hope you are 6 years old and using your mom's computer.

Those undergoing treatment for gender disphoria were merely trying to correct their bodies to match their gender identity.

Why should anyone's body 'match their gender identity'?

trumpisagit

"I would love to know exactly what they are told in school but I think it's so insidious that speaking the truth about biological sex is deeply shocking."

I think that the schools have to be following "advice" from certain organisations, whereby they disclose information from parents and possibly groom the children to withold information from their parents, in relation to details of curriculum.
Over the past week, we have been made aware of US schools trying to cover up incidents such as sexual assault and rape. We are also aware that in some UK schools, pupils have been allowed to name change (opposite sex) without the parents being told.

@OldCrone

Those undergoing treatment for gender disphoria were merely trying to correct their bodies to match their gender identity.

Why should anyone's body 'match their gender identity'?

More to the point, what is a gender identity?! 🙄

I'll go back and read the full thread now, but just wanted to say if I was on twitter, I'd follow SwipeWright just based on the two tweets Necessary Scene posted.

@Glassofshloer More to the point, what is a gender identity?! 🙄

And here the circle goes. Gender identity is a construct of the mind and we are now of the age where the brain and the body are seen as disconnected, because if the brain is saying one thing and the body is something else then the brain should take precedence? That is not biology. That to me is then an evolution issue, like the case of a mule. These people dead end anyway, why as a society do we have to give this credence. You are not just you, you are part of a whole, all those who have gone before you, all those who come after you. Complete dead end.

@Alektopteryx

It's so tedious, having these same tired old tropes wheeled out time and again. Intersex people do not prove a spectrum of sex. People with congenital conditions of sex development have asked many, many times not to be used in this disrespectful and ignorant fashion to prop up the dogma of gender ideologues.

It is so rude, and I never understand what porn soaked men with a fetish for women's oppression have in common with people with DSDs anyway. They have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

@Fujimora

It’s a new religion. Maybe people need to believe in something beyond the rational.

I wonder if this is particularly the case in Ireland....so desperate to prove they are no longer under the domination of the Catholic Church, they have embraced this madness. It is not even a generation really where Ireland was a 'faithful' nation...I don't think they gave enough time to being without a religion to get used to it.

Summarises it for me.

[quote puddlebubble]**@dyslek I have read your comment 5 times and I still don't get your point?

@Gottalife Sex is so much more than chromosomes, otherwise there would not be intersex conditions. Jesus Christ, I hope you are 6 years old and using your mom's computer.[/quote]
I read the comment by @dyslek once and thought the points were perfectly clear.

Many people are ignorant of what ‘trans’ means, but as neurosexism has long been part of popular culture and many people already believe ‘pink and blue brain’ nonsense, they are susceptible to the ‘born in the wrong body’ proposition when it’s advanced by gender fundamentalists.

Also, many will go along with something they don’t know much about anyway if they’re likely to face aggression when they don’t.

I sincerely hope you're not just feigning incomprehension as a response to the poster's user name?

That says it all Glass. Gender is a tool of male oppression, sick societal stereotypes imposed on women and girls to stifle our incredible potential and keep us subservient, so anyone who identifies with it is saying they think this is correct and the way it should be. Because of this, there is NO WAY that giving meaning to gender identity is healthy or gender ideology is good for women.

It's what is known as a faulty syllogism. Just because you call a biological male a woman it doesn't mean that he is.

@Jaysmith71
Bit of a distraction, but Josephus didn't write about a Yeshua Bar-Yusef. Outside of the forged passage though, he did write inter alia about Jesus ben Ananias which forms the basis for part of the gospel Jesus story.

I agree transubstantiation is a better analogy. We respect that some people believe it, and don't disrespect anyone for believing it - but we can't share their belief. It doesn't mean we think they don't exist.

Or the born-again Christian: we respect that being 'born again' and 'saved' is fundamental to their being - but we don't traduce that being or deny their existence when we don't believe that they are actually 'saved' or 'born again'.

[quote BaronMunchausen]@Jaysmith71
Bit of a distraction, but Josephus didn't write about a Yeshua Bar-Yusef. Outside of the forged passage though, he did write inter alia about Jesus ben Ananias which forms the basis for part of the gospel Jesus story.

I agree transubstantiation is a better analogy. We respect that some people believe it, and don't disrespect anyone for believing it - but we can't share their belief. It doesn't mean we think they don't exist.

Or the born-again Christian: we respect that being 'born again' and 'saved' is fundamental to their being - but we don't traduce that being or deny their existence when we don't believe that they are actually 'saved' or 'born again'.[/quote]

I have always struggled with the argument tossed about, that saying we don't believe men can become women somehow denies their existence.