How do people think you can change sex?

[CuriousBogInTheNight]

I've obviy not followed closely enough but genuinely how has it become controversial to say you cannot change sex?! Sex is encoded from the moment of conception... Are people thick or have they tried to change the meaning of the word sex?

The same way some people think you can change a sinner into saved by Jesus.

They've tried to change the meaning of the word sex.

This battle isn't so much about facts, it's about what words mean. We're fighting the redefinitions.

They're trying to redefine the words while keeping the wording the same in laws. So "women's" sports become mixed-sexed. Someone requesting a "same-sexed" medical examiner may get an opposite-sexed one. And so on.

So by fighting the redefinitions, we're also fighting undemocratic, nonsensical changes to the law.

Another example of redefinition in attached images.

They try to argue that sex isn't just about chromosomes or genitals, it's about hormones and secondary characteristics, and/or sex doesn't exist and/or is on a spectrum so there's no such thing as being a particular sex, but you have a gender inside your head which decides what sex you are and which is more important. If you are not of the same sex as this innate gender, you are trans and must have access to all the hormone drugs and surgery you might want to allow you to mimic the sex you don't have. However sex doesn't exist etc.

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Are people thick or have they tried to change the meaning of the word sex?

Both. I think the older ones know they're lying and have consciously distorted the meaning of the word "sex" with the motte-bailey thing that they do when challenged ("No one is saying it's possible to change sex! Why do T*RFs keep confusing sex with gender?" one minute and then "intersex disorders, ackshually there are five sexes, artificial hormones literally change your biological sex ,and in conclusion clownfish" the next minute.)

And the younger ones are genuinely that stupid, because they are surrounded by stupidity-generating sources of misinformation.

PlanDeRaccordement, that’s a poor analogy. A sinner isn’t “changed” into anything. They are simply forgiven if genuinely repentant.
And the existence of Jesus is a historical fact. Unlike “gender identity”, which is totally subjective, based on stereotypes, and unprovable as it is only inside gender ideologists heads. The rest of us don’t have one.

And the younger ones are genuinely that stupid, because they are surrounded by stupidity-generating sources of misinformation.

Yes - as has just been noted over in this thread:

In a recent Year 9 PHSE lesson at my school, we discovered that every single pupil believed men could change sex to the extent that they would be able to have babies. They were shocked to learn that was not the case.

@Babdoc
Yes, not my best analogy, perhaps my worst. Really was just religious example to illustrate that the idea that gender identity transforming your sex from female to male is also a belief. Similar to how the grace of god can transform an evil person(sinner), into a good person(saved).

By wilfully ignoring how biology works.

Perhaps I should have used a fairy dust and elfshot analogy? ;)

People either are lying and don't really believe it or they have had a very poor education on this. That or they have decided biology is completely irrelevant always so sex is based on belief

My understanding is that your sex is the body you're born with but your gender is what some believe to be socially constructed based on the sex your body has been assigned.

Therefore you can change your gender quite easily and you can change the appearance of the most predominant sex organs, but actually changing sex? I'm unsure. Even if you had your uterus removed etc your sex is sex is the body that you're scientifically born with?

And the existence of Jesus is a historical fact.

...Probably.

There most likely was a Yeshua Bar-Yusef who got up the noses of the authorities in his day, as detailed by Josephus. The Biblical Jesus is much more problematic and is a matter of sincerely held beliefs all round.

Sex is Real. Here. Now. You can see it. Measure it. Prove it. And that which is real and observable and measurable cannot be changed.

It might be possible, one day, to modify people genetically to turn men into women and women into men, but rather like the alchemist's dream of turning Iron into gold, which is now possible, Why would you when it's such a faff?

[quote PlanDeRaccordement]@Babdoc
Yes, not my best analogy, perhaps my worst. Really was just religious example to illustrate that the idea that gender identity transforming your sex from female to male is also a belief. Similar to how the grace of god can transform an evil person(sinner), into a good person(saved).[/quote]

Maybe a more successful religious analogy would be around the belief that bread and wine actually become the body and blood of Christ when a particular form of words is said over them.

I think the 'all on a spectrum' idea from other areas has just become the main way to think about the human experience.

It reminds me of olden times when catholics believed that the bread and wine was literally Christ’s blood and body and not a representation of it. I mean, if it was literally that it would be a raw piece of flesh dripping with blood. But they all had to swear that they believed it was - mass delusion.

Of the ones that think you physically can I would think they

1. Underestimate the complexity of sexual characteristics
2. Overestimate the ability of plastic and transplant surgery

And possibly

1. Believe trans people already possess opposite sex brains

"your gender is what some believe to be socially constructed based on the sex your body has been assigned" nobody is "assigned" a sex - sex is observed ffs.

And as for:
you can change your gender quite easily and you can change the appearance of the most predominant sex organs, but actually changing sex? I'm unsure you're "unsure" if people can actually change sex? Jesus christ.

Trans-Substatiation is a very good word for it.

What they do is misunderstand the meaning of words. They say that if we say that cats can go woof and fetch sticks, then dogs can be cats. What they miss is that a cat and the word 'cat' are not the same. A cat or gatto or chat or whatever is just the name we give to the referent we call a cat, which will always retain that dear perfection it owns, to quote Will.

The novel The End Of The World Is Flat was very good on showing how you can get people first to parrot and then to believe absurdities by obfuscating so people start to say it because it sort of makes sense based on a different theoretical underpinning and then people around them who don’t know about the theory just assume the scientists know more than they do even if it feels wrong.

@NichyNoo

It reminds me of olden times when catholics believed that the bread and wine was literally Christ’s blood and body and not a representation of it. I mean, if it was literally that it would be a raw piece of flesh dripping with blood. But they all had to swear that they believed it was - mass delusion.

And wars were fought over this! “Heretics” tortured and burned at the stake for refusing to believe this.

I agree about pink and blue brains being a factor. Id say most people I know believe very strongly that brains are very different so its not a big leap to having the wrong brain.

@Alektopteryx
Yes, transubstantiation is a much better analogy.

I agree about pink and blue brains being a factor. Id say most people I know believe very strongly that brains are very different so its not a big leap to having the wrong brain.

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Most people you know are daft.