Russell T Davies loses the plot

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So disappointed I so admire his work.
Apparently LGB Alliance is killing trans people by only having 3 letters. Don't know why he thinks this is clever instead of using just 3 letters he should try talking with with a radom set of consonants and 1 vowel.

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I find these kinds of "arguments" so tedious these days. Anyone who disagrees with me is a bad bad person, just as bad as some other definitely bad person. It's like debating with a toddler

Yup

So anyone who thinks that its fine for lgb people to have a specific charity is a bad bad person 😩

I don’t think so…

Sadly I'm disappointed, but not that surprised. There was a transhumanism plotline in Years and Years that looked like it was going to be a more questioning take on a teenage girl's trangender identification. The family's daughter became withdrawn from her parents, obsessed with transhumanism, and together with another teenage friend goes seeking surgery which leaves the friend blind. But then the daughter gets supported by her family, gets 'proper' transhuman surgery and her amazing body modification saves the day. And then there was It's a Sin, with, as already noted here, the young woman as emotional support human and all the blame for everything being heaped on the 2020s favourite hate figure, the middle aged woman.

Man who lives in a world where women are 'bit parts' tells women their place shocker.

Totally agree. I don't get the RTD pash.

I rolled my eyes at the "it's your fault" line in IAS.

Oh, fuck off, it's always the mother's fault. How perfectly hack.

He is a dic

Russell T Davies in a coming out in support of LGBT rights shocker
Wouldn't have expected anything else, not sure why anyone would be surprised.
Good on him for speaking up

Anyone who disagrees with Russell's speech should watch It's a Sin and realise they are just as bad as the bad characters in it who believed 'it' was a sin.

The founders of LGBA are lesbian/gay people. Some were involved with Stonewall. Should watch It's A Sin? They fucking lived it, and they were fighting Section 28 and for equal rights when the majority of their most vocal blue-haired critics were still having their arses wiped by their mothers (if they were even born)

But sure, those lesbians and gays are just as bad as the homophobes that abused them 🙄

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Russell T Davies in a coming out in support of LGBT rights shocker Wouldn't have expected anything else, not sure why anyone would be surprised. Good on him for speaking up

I'm not surprised. I just think he's a misogynistic twat and wanted to use my right to free speech to express that.

HTH.

Wouldn't have expected anything else, not sure why anyone would be surprised.

It's the hyperbole that's pathetic.

Have you seen any stats on the number of people that have dropped dead because there's a charity with only 3 letters in its name?

No, me neither.

He says people shouldn't take the piss out of the multiple use of letters for long acronyms by taking the piss of out of those supposedly shortening the acronym back to the original. (I think they are simply reclaiming it to represent groups based on sexual orientation.)

The T+ wasn't added in the AIDS crisis and 2015 wasn't that long ago, he can't have forgotten that it was only 3 letters to start with surely? And AIDS is four, if you're only using 3 Russell it's AID which is what the women provided for the gay men.

He seems really ignorant - LGB is an acronym, not a word, so his “joke” about three-letter words is embarrassingly incorrect.

Plus he’s also pretty inarticulate and difficult to follow. Tedious twat.

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Russell T Davies in a coming out in support of LGBT rights shocker Wouldn't have expected anything else, not sure why anyone would be surprised. Good on him for speaking up

What I'm surprised about is that he chose to overrun his allotted time for an awards acceptance speech to indulge in a long, ranty, nonsensical smear against a charity founded and run by lesbian and gay people that represents the rights and interests of lesbian and gay people with a different perspective from his.

I think what he said was far from good on him. It showed him to be misogynistic, uninformed, unprofessional and the very definition of bigoted.

If he needs to walk this one back in the future he will be able to spin it as the booze talking. Even if he was completely sober in reality.

Shall we send him the link to the BBCs expose of Stonewall?

RTD

FRO

HTH

I think I can live my best life with TLAs

@HowardNoir

Excellent. 'It's a Sin' was amazing, and I'm glad he's aknowledging that harmful ideas against LGBTQ+ people are still around. Anyone who disagrees with Russell's speech should watch It's a Sin and realise they are just as bad as the bad characters in it who believed 'it' was a sin. Oh the irony of people not understanding that.

Oh give over.

they are just as bad as the bad characters in it How old are you? Five?

Kill? Get a grip, you embarrassing man.

Omg i just watched the clip, wtf is he on?

It’s genuinely bonkers, just incoherent babble and yet his self satisfied expression suggests he thinks he's saying something clever.

How embarrassing for him.

Well I can't really get past the fact that LGB is NOT a word & if you're using the charity's acronym then it's LGBA - which IS 4 letters.

And the hyperbole was as stratospheric as it was ridiculous.

Will watch in a bit

RTD involvement Dr who great stories etc. Really good. Rewatching recently. Still really good but started to notice that the women were often... Used as plot devices often horrible things happening to them.

It's a sin. Enjoyed esp the first episodes. The way the female character was. No life of her own. Just looking after others. Becomes activist rather iirc the men. Support human as others phrased it. I mentioned to a female friend (not raging feminist) and she immediately said yes! I noticed that. And started saying why she hadn't liked it. So not just me/ raging feminists who noticed. It was not subtle at all.

@StillWeRise
what they were demanding was simply to have the same respect and rights as everyone else. No L/G/B people were asking for anything that impacted anyone else's rights.

That’s not how a lot of people saw it at the time though, was it? It wasn’t that uncommon in the 80s and 90s for people to regard same sex relationships as an unhealthy lifestyle choice which undermined the values and institutions on which society was founded - marriage and the traditional family unit - and gay people as doomed to a miserable, lonely life. A lot of people also genuinely feared that gay people would attempt to convert - or even prey on - their children, and that the acceptance of same sex attraction and relationships as valid and healthy would lead children and young people down paths they would later come to regret.

@NiceGerbil

Will watch in a bit

RTD involvement Dr who great stories etc. Really good. Rewatching recently. Still really good but started to notice that the women were often... Used as plot devices often horrible things happening to them.

It's a sin. Enjoyed esp the first episodes. The way the female character was. No life of her own. Just looking after others. Becomes activist rather iirc the men. Support human as others phrased it. I mentioned to a female friend (not raging feminist) and she immediately said yes! I noticed that. And started saying why she hadn't liked it. So not just me/ raging feminists who noticed. It was not subtle at all.

This is very true. I noticed this when I rewatched the series of Doctor Who over lockdown. Mothers, especially.

[quote Helen8220]@StillWeRise
what they were demanding was simply to have the same respect and rights as everyone else. No L/G/B people were asking for anything that impacted anyone else's rights.

That’s not how a lot of people saw it at the time though, was it? It wasn’t that uncommon in the 80s and 90s for people to regard same sex relationships as an unhealthy lifestyle choice which undermined the values and institutions on which society was founded - marriage and the traditional family unit - and gay people as doomed to a miserable, lonely life. A lot of people also genuinely feared that gay people would attempt to convert - or even prey on - their children, and that the acceptance of same sex attraction and relationships as valid and healthy would lead children and young people down paths they would later come to regret.[/quote]
A lot of people also genuinely feared that gay people would attempt to convert
Yes, and you see it on here, as in on this board, not specifically this thread) "all the time.
Fears of social contagion, if your friends are trans, or you know about being trans. you might then think you are too, it's the exact same argument played out.

How many is a lot? That general comment and 80s/ 90s is not the full picture by far.

Music- fgth number one. Thingy said wouldn't play disgusting. And this is all obviously my own experience in the area I grew up. The general response I heard was what a twat and laughing at him.

Also massive bands/ hits (off the top of my head!)-

Communards v powerful smalltown boy video is a fave. Pointed sharing apple at end.
Erasure
Pet shop boys
Right said Fred (I'm not ashamed! I got my first crappy car at 17 and first time out nearly crashed on a side road while trying to get the hang of lighting a fag while driving!)
Marilyn
Steve strange
Etc etc etc etc etc etc

I went to school 6th form and university with out lesbians and gay blokes.
Gay clubs huge scene then. First year uni shared with some friends who went to bug club with male/ female bits. Manchester canal area full of gay bars etc well known as was Brighton for being an area with big gay scene.

Obv not trying to say it was all roses that would be ridiculous.

The characterisation that the mood of the whole country overall was total disgust hate etc is also not right though.

I transfer section 28. Massively contraversial. Those who thought appalling were given airtime, column inches etc.
Iirc a lot of anger and demos etc.

I think he and his comments were ridiculous, he was clearly drunk and the comments made me think of the opposite of Its A Wonderful Life, every time the T is dropped, an angel loses its wings.