Legal rights of gender dysphoric yr 8 boy to be placed in a girls dorm

[PrawnQuaver]

Please could anyone help me understand the legal rights involved in the situation of a private school placing a gender dysphoric year 8 boy, who is currently identifying as female, into a girls dorm on school residential trip without consulting the parents of the three other girls in that dorm or asking the girls themselves?
The 10 protected characteristics of the 2010 Gender Equality Act have been quoted as cast iron justification but I don't know enough about it to provide a strong counter argument.

I've name changed for this post but am a long time mumsnetter

I'll explain. Kids are more than capable of expressing their feelings

And I'll explain, the reason we have safeguarding, is because adults keep claiming that their interpretation of the feelings of other people's children are more important than their safety.

They're not.

I came out as a kid and I know what you're talking about but you're being such a patronising misogynist implying that girls don't know what they want/what's good for them.

I didn't imply that, that's your complete inability to understand the female experience rearing its ugly head yet again.

I would also like to note that "girls know what they want and what's good for them" could be generalised to all sorts of situations and you might want to think through the implications of it a bit more carefully.

Unless you already did?

@IgnesFauti

I'm not going to entertain the hate in this post but I'll point out that these EXACT attitudes you hold about trans girls were held about black girls in the 40s and 50s and held about lesbian girls in the 80s and 90s. You claim to speak for all women and that women are all just bought up to be nice. Maybe you're just a little pissed off that 8 year old girls have a little more decency and kindness in their hearts than you do...

And as for this, how can you possibly write this post, and expect other people to understand even a word of it, when you can't define girl, lesbian, women, or boy??

It's just meaningless jibber jabber.

Ah! I get it now.

Girls know what they want and have no problem saying so.

But women saying what they want are hate filled, mistaken, racist, transphobic, nasty, nasty.

Clear as mud.

I came out as a kid and I know what you're talking about but you're being such a patronising misogynist implying that girls don't know what they want/what's good for them.

Did you really mean to say that? Where would one start with a random on the Internet telling parents that they don't know what's good for their own daughters.

You can't even work out the difference between Year 8 boy and 8 year old boy IgnesFauti let alone anything else.

@RedDogsBeg

You can't even work out the difference between Year 8 boy and 8 year old boy IgnesFauti let alone anything else.

Quite, but they know what's good for our daughters.

I don’t know why my post was deleted but I’m trying to find out. I am angry but didn’t know that that isn’t allowed now either. Quite prepared to be banned after 13 years of never having a post deleted. But at what point Mumsnet moderators do you look and think, maybe we are on the wrong side of history after all.

Have the school down an equality impact assessment for the girls in the dorm?
Have their insurers been made aware and what are their thoughts on any future claims that could potentially arise from mixed sex dorms?
This is so wrong.

This is an old thread which our new friend decided to bump so I don't think the OP will be back.

I don't think the OP will be back

Possibly banned. He had a lot of comments deleted.

The deleted poster isn’t the op? Is it?

Oh sorry to be confusing, the actual OP wasn't deleted! The thread bumper was.

@allmywhat

I don't think the OP will be back

Possibly banned. He had a lot of comments deleted.

OP and deleted poster are not the same, deleted poster seems to have deliberately targeted this thread for reasons, I'll leave you to conclude what reasons they might be.

To counter some of the fear, if he is genuinely identifying as female (and it's not just some recent fad), then the chances are that he would be attracted to boys, not girls. And, I would have thought that most Yr 8 girls wouldn't wish to have sex in the first place, much less in front of their friends and the chances of them being attracted to a boy who identifies as a girl would be even less so. Secondly, the child in question is unlikely to be a rapist any more than anyone's teenage Yr 8 son. Therefore, in the highly unlikely scenario of a girl finding herself pregnant, I would suggest that it would be most likely consensual. Therefore that might be something to discuss before going on any residential trip as there will also be opportunities for them to mingle/socialise with the opposite sex in any event in some hidden corner or other. That said, I can understand some girls feeling awkward about getting dressed etc in a room with a trans child, although I suspect that it is much more awkward for the trans child themselves. Personally, I would talk to the school and ask them what measures they put in place generally during a trip to ensure the safety of kids. You may find that a teacher sleeps in one of the dorms anyway.

No.. no boy in with the girls in this situation. The whole idea is ridiculous.

@Hugoslavia

To counter some of the fear, if he is genuinely identifying as female (and it's not just some recent fad), then the chances are that he would be attracted to boys, not girls. And, I would have thought that most Yr 8 girls wouldn't wish to have sex in the first place, much less in front of their friends and the chances of them being attracted to a boy who identifies as a girl would be even less so. Secondly, the child in question is unlikely to be a rapist any more than anyone's teenage Yr 8 son. Therefore, in the highly unlikely scenario of a girl finding herself pregnant, I would suggest that it would be most likely consensual. Therefore that might be something to discuss before going on any residential trip as there will also be opportunities for them to mingle/socialise with the opposite sex in any event in some hidden corner or other. That said, I can understand some girls feeling awkward about getting dressed etc in a room with a trans child, although I suspect that it is much more awkward for the trans child themselves. Personally, I would talk to the school and ask them what measures they put in place generally during a trip to ensure the safety of kids. You may find that a teacher sleeps in one of the dorms anyway.

Boys sleep separately from girls for privacy, dignity and safety.

He's probably not a rapist is the worst argument ever for separate sleeping arrangements.

Maybe we need to rewrite safeguarding and call it shutting the stable door...

And, I would have thought that most Yr 8 girls wouldn't wish to have sex in the first place, much less in front of their friends and the chances of them being attracted to a boy who identifies as a girl would be even less so. Secondly, the child in question is unlikely to be a rapist any more than anyone's teenage Yr 8 son.

Yet the other year 8 boys aren't getting to share dorms with the girls, so why should the one who identifies as a girl?

That said, I can understand some girls feeling awkward about getting dressed etc in a room with a trans child, although I suspect that it is much more awkward for the trans child themselves.

Yes, it's so much more difficult for the male teenager who has ASKED to share sleeping space with girls than it is for the girls who are being subjected to this against their will.

Just fuck off, honestly.

@Hugoslavia how would one be able to tell a child who is genuine in their stated gender identity, compared to one who isn't?

Safeguarding isn't about fear based on ignorance. It's about assessing risk based on knowledge. You don't write a risk assessment because you think the worst will happen, you write it so that it is much much less likely to.

I have a bone to pick with this "nasty parent" business.

Parental control is not abuse. It is the duty of parents to protect their children!

There's an underlying current of "parents are abusers by default" running around the Internet right now as justification for keeping children listening to strangers instead.

You may find that a teacher sleeps in one of the dorms anyway.

I hope not, especially as this school might allow a male teacher ,who identifies as a women, to sleep in the girls' dorm.

Wow, are we gatekeeping trans here as well? If a biological male who identifies as a girl isn’t attracted to boys, then they are not “real trans”? This is transphobic I think, assuming someone’s sexuality based on trans identity. And it is really homophobic as well.

And “the child is unlikely to be a rapist”. Is that like that gender fluid penis person who anally raped a girl in the girls toilets? I think the school thought that was unlikely as well. In fact they thought it so unlikely that the penis person got a second shot at sexual assault.

I don’t know where to start with the suggestion that “year 8 girls don’t want to have sex anyway” and “probably a teacher will be sleeping in the dorm”. I assume you don’t work in safeguarding?

Op, you need to push back hard on this issue. It is simply unacceptable.