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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

John Lewis and it’s ‘gender relaxed’ ad

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SouthernFashionista · 11/10/2021 19:44

Curious to hear thoughts on the new ad from John Lewis. It strikes me as sinister. Why does a small child have to send out a message of LGBTQ equality? Why is he acting like a drag queen.

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DadDadDad · 28/10/2021 19:46

The OP on the other John Lewis thread has had a reply from the ASA saying that they've rejected complaints about the ad and explaining why.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4386332-to-feel-vindicated-that-john-lewis-has-pulled-its-awful-ad-with-the-boy-in-the-dress-trashing-the-house?pg=12

(scroll down for the OP's long post earlier this evening).

Some judgements are obviously going to be subjective, but I still think some of their conclusions are wrong.

Helleofabore · 28/10/2021 22:49

Just adding this to this thread. Thanks to a couple of knowledgeable posters on another thread, it might be interesting for anyone who wondered about this ad to look up the director Tom Kunz.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Kuntz

Perhaps the ‘holiday virals’ will be indicative in the style.

Now I have seen this, I have much clearer thoughts about this ad.

KimikosNightmare · 28/10/2021 23:14

I complained. My complaint was in category 3 of the complaints

  1. Complainants objected that the ad was offensive, perpetuated harmful gender stereotypes, and was sexist because the male character is shown to behave in a manner that most complainants believed to be aggressive, whilst the female characters are shown to be passive and allow the destruction to happen. Other objections raised were that some of the scenes depicted, such as his interactions with what appears to be his sister, were suggestive of domestic abuse or bullying and could normalise such behaviour

The response is, in my view , feeble.

3 Council acknowledged that both the female characters in the ad did not intervene when various items around the house were either damaged or knocked over, however they considered that their reactions would likely be seen as light hearted bemusement at the boy's dancing and attire rather than being seen as passive or scared of the boy's behaviour. Whilst the boy was shown to knock over what appears to be his sister's paints, he was not depicted as angry or violent, nor did the girl appear to be frightened, and Council considered that the ad was unlikely to suggest that he was bullying the girl. Council therefore concluded that the ad was unlikely to cause serious or widespread offence on the basis that the ad was sexist,perpetuating harmful stereotypes, or suggestive of bullying or domestic abuse, or that it would be seen as condoning such behaviour

"Knock over" to me suggests something accidental. It wasn't accidental.

I'm also surprised in order to be bullying behaviour it must be done in anger or with violence or that the reaction to being bullied should be to appear frightened.

A bully can easily be calm, collected and non physically violent. The reaction to be being bullied can often be a studied, controlled non- reaction.

BatmansBat · 28/10/2021 23:14

What’s with the holiday virals?? Why all the abnormally large penises? And the suckling elves? 😵

I cannot get those images out of my head. Not the CV I would be looking for in a commercial but….

Helleofabore · 29/10/2021 07:07

I read the description bat, I did not go and look.Does my post need a warning inserted?

Just the description alone indicated that this director was pushing boundaries with this ad. And all the choices we all queried would seem to be very deliberate ones.

I wonder if JL execs looked at the ads you saw bat.

BatmansBat · 29/10/2021 08:55

I think it is important that people see this.

Women do have a sixth sense when it comes to children, don’t they?

ArabellaScott · 29/10/2021 09:24

I do find it curious that John Lewis, respected for being a workers co-operative and treating staff well, for being solid, sensible and dependable, would choose a director known for the exact opposite traits.

Interview wtih the director:

'How do you think commercials affect our consciousness?'

'I think advertising and design are hugely powerful… Far beyond what we perceive in our own behavior. Everything we think about, just about everything, is shaped by how it is presented to the public: the way it’s packaged, it’s name, the advertising that is created for it, etc. Our entire world is, frighteningly, a big insane concoction of messages and marketing. The music we like, the food we eat, the clothes we wear… It’s all decisions made based on how these things are presented to us and the associations we make with them. Advertising is a huge part of that puzzle, whether we really feel like it is impacting us or not. It’s quite creepy!'

anthemmagazine.com/qa-with-tom-kuntz/

KittenKong · 29/10/2021 10:06

Sounds like an art school essay.

Phobiaphobic · 30/10/2021 23:33

@Helleofabore

I am still surprised at how many adults do not recognise sexualised behaviour in children. Or who hand wave it away in some way.
Me too. Too many years of gaslighting and being told that things like drag - misogynistic sexual parodying of women - are liberating/empowering.
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