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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

So... if I drink from a mug with a dinosaur on it at work, or have a dinosaur emoji on my status etc etc

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MsFogi · 09/10/2021 20:23

Will that now be a subtle signal to my fellow GC sisters? I do hope so, I can't wait to see lots of dinosaurs being sported by women out and about - anyone complaining about a woman with a dinosaur is simply going to look batshit crazy Grin. (Although just to be clear I do talk about this a lot in rl but not so much at work but generally think that the more women who don't yet speak out about this can see how many others are GC the better and I suspect that the "GC Dinosaur" may just be our Bat Signal")

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PurgatoryOfPotholes · 13/10/2021 17:58

Another account

TW: homophobia, lesbophobia, blackmail

account

"A few years ago, I used to play a MMORPG in which I joined a LGBT guild because I wanted a place where I could be myself without risking being harassed or bullied if people found out that I am a lesbian. I had a great time in this guild and made a lot of friends.

:About 3 months after I joined, a transwoman in the guild sent me a private message in-game asking if I would be interested in dating her. I politely declined. She asked if it was because she was trans and I said yes. I tried to explain as nicely and politely as possible that I just can’t deal with penises, male bodies, and male voices. I just can’t find them attractive, especially penises because just seeing them brings up memories of when I was raped as a child. She demanded that I date her anyway and threatened to tell everyone in the guild that I was transphobic if I didn’t. She also demanded that I send her nude pictures of myself. I refused. I took screenshots of the chat log just in-case, logged off, and went to bed feeling awful.

"While I was asleep, the transwoman did exactly what she said she would do. She told the guild’s leader that she asked me for make-up advice and that I responded by saying she could never look like a real woman and that I had called her a bunch of slurs. When I turned my PC on the next day, I was greeted by a message from the guild leader in the guild’s group chat on Skype (this was before Discord existed) that I was going to be removed from the guild because of my alleged transphobia. I denied it and a few of the other members came to my defense, saying it didn’t seem like something I would do, as I was always very friendly to everyone. I sent the screenshots of the chat log thinking it would clear my name, since she straight up said she was going to lie about me. Instead of focusing on that, the discussion shifted to me refusing to date her. I was told, by people that had been my friends for months, that my “genital preference” was transphobic and that I should just get over my trauma or just kill myself. I was told that even if I am not attracted to her, I have to date her to affirm her identity as a trans lesbian. I was given an ultimatum, date her or be removed from the guild. I refused and was kicked out.

"From that point on, I was bullied by my former guild-mates whenever we happened to come across each other in-game. When I joined a new guild, the transwoman and the leader of my old guild found out. They messaged the leader of my new guild and told him that I was a racist and was using hacks. This was shortly after there was an outbreak of hackers using an exploit in the game to delete parts of another player’s character data causing their characters to become corrupted and unable to be logged into (great Korean free-to-play MMO security pretend-thumbs-up-emoji) and there was quite a bit of paranoia amongst the community because of it. I was kicked from that guild too. The in-game bullying continued for a bit and I eventually quit a few weeks later.

"I was bullied in school for being a lesbian when I made the stupid mistake of reading a lesbian romance manga in class. The internet was my escape from that, where I could be myself without being afraid. I’ve tried to join other LGBT and lesbian focused communities on sites like reddit but ever since that incident with that MMO guild and similar things I’ve seen happen to girls on places like /r/actuallesbians, I have been afraid to admit that I don’t find transwomen attractive. I’m afraid to tell my LGBT-supporting friends, no matter how close we are or how long we’ve been friends. I’ve tried using dating sites and it seems like most of the lesbians on there are predatory transwomen that demand sex. I’ve been feeling pretty lonely and depressed, often thinking about suicide.:

oursuperstories.com/i-was-given-an-ultimatum-date-her-or-be-removed-from-the-guild/

TheCloudBotherer · 13/10/2021 18:00

@BringPizza

I find this thread very sad and a bit White Lives Matter Too. I have an LGBT teen and it’s sad they still have to face this sort of ‘discreet’ hate. I hope you all have a moment that opens your hearts.
As a lesbian, I dislike the not-so-discrete hate in the idea that I have a "genital fetish" because I don't want to have sex with a male, no matter how he identifies. I dislike that women's spaces are being opened up to anyone identifies as such, that a leading medical journal is referring to us as Cervix Havers. I dislike the push to get healthy bodied young people onto puberty blockers and cross sex hormones, while middle aged men continue to call themselves women without changing a thing.

Tell you what, when TRAs address the complete and utter contempt they show women as they erode our words, safety and dignity to pander to the feelings of men.... then I'll spare a thought for those feeling distressed by women in dinosaur t-shirts. Fair?

BringPizza · 13/10/2021 18:01

@Thefartingsofaofdenmarkstreet I get the feeling I have naively stumbled into something quite established. I’ve not been on this board before. I’ll leave you to your dinosaurs and maybe join another thread sometime.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 13/10/2021 18:02

it’s not pie- more for you doesn’t mean less for me.

But that's just it, it is. If natal males are allowed access into single sex spaces for females then they are no longer single sex and I as a female lose that resource. We can't both have it.

BringPizza · 13/10/2021 18:03

God, that wasn’t meant to sound condescending. I think I have some reading to do. I never felt threatened by this so I didn’t understand what mnetters like @TheCloudBotherer have had to deal with.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 13/10/2021 18:07

@BringPizza

God, that wasn’t meant to sound condescending. I think I have some reading to do. I never felt threatened by this so I didn’t understand what mnetters like *@TheCloudBotherer* have had to deal with.
I'm being genuine when I say this, no matter how sarky it sounds.

thank you for not putting your fingers in your ears and trying to listen. It's refreshing.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 13/10/2021 18:12

@BringPizza

God, that wasn’t meant to sound condescending. I think I have some reading to do. I never felt threatened by this so I didn’t understand what mnetters like *@TheCloudBotherer* have had to deal with.
Thats good of you to say, theres lots of threads on here to read with lots of links 🙂
TheCloudBotherer · 13/10/2021 18:12

@BringPizza

God, that wasn’t meant to sound condescending. I think I have some reading to do. I never felt threatened by this so I didn’t understand what mnetters like *@TheCloudBotherer* have had to deal with.
Sincerely, thank you. Apologies if I came on rather strong there- I forget that not everyone responding to these threads will know all about this stuff. Smile
Thefartingsofaofdenmarkstreet · 13/10/2021 18:13

[quote BringPizza]@Thefartingsofaofdenmarkstreet I get the feeling I have naively stumbled into something quite established. I’ve not been on this board before. I’ll leave you to your dinosaurs and maybe join another thread sometime.[/quote]
Please do come back again another time. This board is full of fantastic, articulate, educated women who have a lot to say and are definitely worth listening to, even if you then decide that you don't agree with them Smile

QueenSue · 13/10/2021 18:17

We get a lot of aggressive people coming to this board to tell us how wrong and hateful we are, and leave. It's very nice to see you listening to posters here BringPizza

BringPizza · 13/10/2021 18:20

Thank you all for being gracious. I’ll leave you to it now, read up, and meet you again in the future.

TeamRex · 13/10/2021 18:21

If you like dinosaurs and pizza I'm sure we'd get on well.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 13/10/2021 18:33

Here are some quick jumping off point:

coercion of lesbians
www.thearticle.com/can-biological-males-be-lesbians (by Dr Kathleen Stock, topically)

www.gettheloutuk.com/blog/category/research/lesbians-at-ground-zero.html
Research into the exact extent of the issue, with charts

prisons
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4356627-Womens-Wellbeing-in-Prisons?pg=2

general overview

(take a bottle of water and Kendal Mint Cake)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

JakeyRolling · 13/10/2021 19:46

Found this on Shein.

As for the rights/pie analogy - not only is the T taking women's pie, they are smashing it to a pulp, sweeping it back into the dish and going "what's the problem, I've not taken any of your pie"

So... if I drink from a mug with a dinosaur on it at work, or have a dinosaur emoji on my status etc etc
Cwenthryth · 13/10/2021 21:09

@JakeyRolling

Found this on Shein.

As for the rights/pie analogy - not only is the T taking women's pie, they are smashing it to a pulp, sweeping it back into the dish and going "what's the problem, I've not taken any of your pie"

Horrid flashback images of the full uncensored version of that scene in the original American Pie movie

Aaaaaanyway

That turned into a nice exchange overall there though Thankyou @BringPizza for opening your mind. As a bisexual woman, wearing purple and green dino earrings in solidarity with my fellow feminists is not hating anyone, and it’s fucking infuriating to have someone who clearly understands so little about the issues at hand waltz in and tick us off about “being kind”, it is very refreshing for you to be humble enough to actually listen. Hashtags and memes are insufficient arguments. Please do hang around, read, post, ask questions, learn. There a lot of us “LGBT people” on this side of the fence/pie.

Did we get anywhere on what a Conversational Shirt is?

Waitwhat23 · 13/10/2021 21:34

@Cwenthryth from a quick Google, I think there might be two meanings - one is a graphic t with a message on it which will start a conversation. The other appears to to be a shirt with a repeated pattern on it. But it's not that clear!

I think the whole 'cotton ceiling' thing was one of the first things that made me think 'what the actual fuck'. Lesbians being shamed, harassed and intimidated and their body autonomy being disregarded.

My t-rex earrings arrived today - very pleased.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 14/10/2021 01:46

Moving on to gay men now...

twitter.com/dottys_friend/status/1448247334475870211?t=Jet4XYg8gdXiN09hA4aJkA&s=19

NoNotMeNoSiree · 14/10/2021 02:20

[quote PurgatoryOfPotholes]Moving on to gay men now...

twitter.com/dottys_friend/status/1448247334475870211?t=Jet4XYg8gdXiN09hA4aJkA&s=19[/quote]
Just read that and a bit WTF
I'm not gay, but it's the same principle as me being a straight, c*s ie biological woman.
I'm into fancying men sexually, if someone has had surgery and looks like a man appearance wise why would I not automatically be interested?
It's not as simple as '' Er, yeah, but trans''

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 14/10/2021 03:27

Let me just clarify this point. We have multiple gay men on twitter, as you would have seen when you clicked through, saying that this cartoon and the way it caricatures their sexuality is offensive. Multiple gay men who find the idea offensive that they should see no qualitative difference between sex with a female human using a sex toy and sex with a male human.

Your position is that they are wrong?

And to back your opinion up, your evidence is that you, as a straight woman, think you wouldn't see or feel any difference between experiencing vaginal penetration from a dildo held by a female partner and experiencing vaginal penetration by a penis attached to a male partner?

Or is this an experiment you've already carried out to know?

Can you work out why I might read your post and think "Holy conversion therapy, Batman"?

The idea that men shouldn't be able to tell the difference between a male partner and a female partner, and that they are wrong to say they prefer a male partner is traditional homophobia.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 14/10/2021 03:40

This might be the most blunt quote on the subject:

I'm so sick of the fucking gaslighting. I want to tell these people to fuck off and see a therapist. My prostate isn't there for your goddamn validation.

twitter.com/artymortyarty/status/1448368317979365376?t=ThocoLOR1yU28P7r9SgKyQ&s=19

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sashh · 14/10/2021 05:21

[quote BringPizza]@PurgatoryOfPotholes cute, no he’s not all 4 he’s just gay Grin

Ref the cotton ceiling, no I’d not heard of it but 2 wrongs don’t make a right. I guess I’m being too simplistic, I just want people to be taken as they are not what others think they should be. And for no one to feel threatened by another group gaining an equal footing.[/quote]
You do know that TRAs believe your son is transphobic if he refuses to have sex with a trans man, eg a woman who has decided she 'feels' she is a he.

Nothing to do with whether your DS finds the person is attractive, is in an exclusive relationship with someone else or is just not in the mood for sex. If he refuses sex he is labelled a 'transphobe'.

That's what we are critical of.

It's usually transwomen wanting to have sex with lesbians but the same rules apply.

Trans women, 90% of whom have had no surgery or hormone treatment winning women's races, women's scholarships, awards for business and writing.

BringPizza · 14/10/2021 10:36

@sashh I know now. I didn’t this time yesterday. I thought I was being ‘nice’ but I had no idea about all of this. I’m sorry for any offence I caused.

sashh · 14/10/2021 11:10

@BringPizza

No apology necessary, we are not the bad guys the TRAs try to make us out to be.

JellySaurus · 14/10/2021 13:04

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

This might be the most blunt quote on the subject:

I'm so sick of the fucking gaslighting. I want to tell these people to fuck off and see a therapist. My prostate isn't there for your goddamn validation.

twitter.com/artymortyarty/status/1448368317979365376?t=ThocoLOR1yU28P7r9SgKyQ&s=19

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Pretty much what we've been saying all along. Our womanhood is not there for your validation.
JellySaurus · 14/10/2021 13:08

[quote PurgatoryOfPotholes]Moving on to gay men now...

twitter.com/dottys_friend/status/1448247334475870211?t=Jet4XYg8gdXiN09hA4aJkA&s=19[/quote]
Unlike the tweeters, I didn't read that cartoon s as a man dating a boy, but s as a man dating a transman. IE vanilla heterosexual, spiced up with a bit of roleplay and dildo anal.

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