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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Eve Wiseman: Migraine with a sidelight on sexism in medicine

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 09/10/2021 18:03

This is such a fine article on migraine but also for the discussion of sexism in medicine and the absurd disregard of biology.

Goadsby first became interested in migraine as a medical student in Australia. “The appeal was the challenge and the frustration. It seemed so neglected. It was seen as a ‘silly subject’.” Many doctors believed it was a psychosomatic condition related to stress. And pain disorders are difficult to research, as pain is subjective. Plus, there’s the gender thing. Goadsby sighs. “Go back 40 years. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to work out that, if three out of every four people with migraine are women, and there’s a comorbidity, a biological problem of anxiety and depression, and there are periods involved, what is that going to produce? Some stupid interpretations from doctors, who say they’re crazy.” He seems really quite cross. “But there’s such profound biology going on, with circulating oestrogen levels, I’ve never understood why they would think it was anything other than biological. You don’t need a craziness explanation, because you’ve got biology sitting in front of you. I think there was a protective mechanism for a long time, where physicians hate to say they don’t know, hate to accept that they’re impotent in something. So the alternative to ‘I don’t know,’ is, ‘The person in front of me is crazy.’ So it’s a disorder of women. So what? Get a grip and move on!”

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/oct/09/can-migraines-be-untangled-by-new-medical-thinking

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merrymouse · 09/10/2021 18:42

Plus, there’s the gender thing.

Sex thing surely?

Good article, but I don’t understand why Eva Wiseman can’t see that this is an example of why her colleagues (Bennet, Freeman, Moore) say it’s important to be able to talk about sex.

Her logic is beyond me.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 09/10/2021 18:49

Sex thing surely?

I've no idea of Wiseman's personal views. However, in the absence of explicit statements, I don't hold journalists necessarily responsible for vocabulary choices or edits that are plausibly in the control of editors and happen without consultation.

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PlanDeRaccordement · 09/10/2021 18:49

I’m not sure what your point is? The quote is saying that some doctors 40yrs ago were sexist because migraines were not well understood at the time? And it contradicts itself because psychosomatic or stress induced doesn’t actually mean the patient is crazy or imagining pain?

Not saying there isn’t sexism in medicine, but this seems to be an historical example that is being poorly related.

korimako90 · 09/10/2021 20:54

Wiseman signed the Guardian letter that helped to bully Suzanne Moore out of her job.

PaleGreenGhost · 10/10/2021 01:56

@korimako90

Wiseman signed the Guardian letter that helped to bully Suzanne Moore out of her job.
Yep. I don't stop watching /reading every well known person who promotes gender ideology, but reading that list of signatories against Suzanne Moore was really disappointing. It's hard not to be frustrated when someone who thinks a colleague should lose their job for believing biological sex impacts lives, writes an article hinging on the fact that biological sex impacts lives.

This was a good article though, thanks op.

KimikosNightmare · 10/10/2021 02:56

I wasn't sure what she was on about- beyond the hardly revelatory points about migraines not being like other headaches. Anyone who suffers from them knows that.

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