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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Are the BBC about to leave Stonewall?

117 replies

RoyalCorgi · 07/10/2021 14:16

According to ex-BBC staffer Ben Hunte, yes:

www.vice.com/en/article/akgxm5/bbc-expected-to-quit-stonewalls-lgbtq-diversity-programme

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ArabellaScott · 08/10/2021 13:16

I bumped into OJ at the Tory party conference. He stared at me and I felt a change. Time meant nothing, never would again. Odd.

terryleather · 08/10/2021 13:45

@ArabellaScott

I bumped into OJ at the Tory party conference. He stared at me and I felt a change. Time meant nothing, never would again. Odd.
Has he taken a step to the right, now...?
ArabellaScott · 08/10/2021 14:33

Wouldn't surprise me, terry.

ChristinaXYZ · 08/10/2021 14:44

Great response by Douglas Murray to the 'scared' narrative

twitter.com/DouglasKMurray/status/1446237466650976263

Fariha31 · 08/10/2021 15:26

@RoyalCorgi

One of the remarkable things about all of this is the realisation that OJ actually believes this stuff. He's not just jumping on a bandwagon, he really truly and sincerely believes that trans are the most marginalised group, and they are being oppressed by us wicked feminists. He genuinely thinks he is on the right side of history.

I can't imagine what is going on inside his tiny little brain.

I think it shows that a degree from Oxford is not what is once was. I think LOJ knowledge of political idologies seems incredibly shallow. He seems to know nothing of Feminism at all, and not very much about anything else. A student came to me today eager to do the entrance exam for Oxford, I gently suggested she also apply elsewhere. His politics has never progressed beyond the sixth form.
Fariha31 · 08/10/2021 15:31

@ArabellaScott

I bumped into OJ at the Tory party conference. He stared at me and I felt a change. Time meant nothing, never would again. Odd.
Arabella, what are you smoking? Am I missing something? Your posts seem to have taken an esoteric turn that I cant understand, we're what now?
GAHgamel · 08/10/2021 17:42

@Fariha31 this should help:

ArabellaScott · 08/10/2021 18:33

Ahhh you've let the skeleton out of the closet, GAH! Grin

ArabellaScott · 08/10/2021 18:34

I was being so subtle, too. Still, good tune for Friday night ...

Cwenthryth · 09/10/2021 08:46

Interesting article in the Times this morning. Not directly addressing the Stonewall issue, and referencing BBC impartiality more widely, but viewed through a lens of all the Twiterati frothing following Ben Hunte’s “article”, is quite interesting!

BBC chief Tim Davie wants calm to navigate the culture wars

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fc355740-2861-11ec-8024-639cd6774533?shareToken=b08309e707e2951089568aa352efa4ca

Choice quotes:
“You don’t want to surround yourself with people who flap and generate all this, ‘Oh it’s really serious.’ It’s not. I’m exhausted by all of that and I find it slightly pathetic. Sorry if that sounds nasty.”

Davie said that being clear-eyed about genuine reputational issues was particularly important at a time when the BBC was often at the centre of skirmishes between people with differing social values. He said: “In public-eye jobs we’re in the middle of the so-called culture wars and navigating that in my life is huge, in terms of what’s progressive versus what’s woke. We’re constantly being dragged around on this.”

Progressive vs woke is an interesting compare and contrast isn’t it? I think a lot of pro-‘gender’-self-ID/anti-women’s SBR people would claim that they are the same thing. But a lot of “woke” rhetoric is in reality terribly regressive isn’t it.

MidsomerMurmurs · 09/10/2021 08:53

But a lot of “woke” rhetoric is in reality terribly regressive isn’t it

Yes! That’s a really interesting take from Davie. I was pretty sceptical about him when he got the job but maybe he will actually be able to sort the bbc out.

Cwenthryth · 09/10/2021 08:59

Has he taken a step to the right, now...?

Hehehe, I see what you did there.

He had previously jumped to the left, obvs

ArabellaScott · 09/10/2021 09:32

Progressive vs woke is an interesting compare and contrast isn’t it?

I'm a bit wary about the idea of 'progressive' always being de facto positive. I think that is often part of the utopianism that can suggest all change is good and necessary, or must keep moving away from historical precedents ... maybe not expressing that very well!

donquixotedelamancha · 09/10/2021 10:18

I'm a bit wary about the idea of 'progressive' always being de facto positive. I think that is often part of the utopianism that can suggest all change is good and necessary, or must keep moving away from historical precedents

Originally progressive just described policies which could be showed to lower inequality. I think, like Liberal, the social engineering undertones come from US politics, where polarisation means anything suggested by one side is automatically bad to the other.

Cwenthryth · 09/10/2021 12:48

Yes, my understanding is ‘progressive’ is supposed to be shorthand for ‘progress towards a more equal society’. Obviously, policies that shaft women, religious minorities, SA survivors etc do not do that.

merrymouse · 09/10/2021 13:43

I think 'progressive' has become almost as meaningless as 'Republican' or 'Liberal Democrat'. The words used to have a specific meaning, but it now just describes a group of people who share some political views.

Gender ideology is supported by people who call themselves progressives, even though it's just sexism with a new name and is as old as the hills.

Many people still identify 'Remain' as the progressive choice and think of Conservatives as regressive, but plenty of prominent Conservatives who had never previously had any reputation as social reformers campaigned for Remain.

KittenKong · 09/10/2021 14:01

It’s a word that makes my sphincter tighten these days. Ditto ‘inclusive’.

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