Won't someone please think of the rapists

[notaclownfish]

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Are you trolling us now?

I can't see any comments on her tweets...!?

A couple of screenshots of the type of comments she is getting.

And yet, women shouldnt have single sex spaces under the Equality Act
I'm waiting for the moment these idiots woke themselves into oblivion.

Amusingly I've never actually tweeted anything GC on my twitter and I'm actually blocked!
I wonder when and how that happened 🤔
I know I liked some stuff Mary Beard said once...

Can't she read? The submission includes this (section 23)which makes her assertion that women want sex recorded solely to 'stop trans people being recognised as their gender' look pretty silly. By all means record 'gender' as well as sex if you want. Absolutely no problem, good idea.

Current popular view is that only cis men rape etc. It's not ever TW

Yeah, but that's why they want the rapist's crimes to be recorded as by women, not transwomen, as that would harm the 'most vulnerable and oppressed' narrative by pointing out that it's penis owners who do all the raping regardless of any identity.

And these rape apologists will be absolutely convinced in themselves that they are 'on the right side of history'. If your overriding concern in cases of rape is making sure that the rapist is not misgendered, your values are horribly skewed.

Thankfully, looks like she’s being roundly ratioed, I can’t see a single supportive comment or quote tweet.

Just as a reminder, as a result of self-ID currently being used in recording of crime statistics, 436 “women” in England & Wales were charged with rape between 2012-2018 - a crime that by definition in E&W can only be committed with a penis. That is 6 “women with penis” (alleged) rapists a month. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4360759-More-than-one-woman-a-week-prosecuted-for-rape

This is not a theoretical issue. By Stonewall’s “acceptance without exception” trans umbrella self-ID definition, 6 transwomen a month are charged with rape in England and Wales.

Some more good responses.

Then the statistics will be used as proof that women are violent too

It's very convenient, isn't it?

''Look at the stats, women are just as likely to be violent and rapey as men, so you're no safer in a single sex space than a mixed 'gender' one''.

I suppose the plan is pinning the blame for the rise in female sex crime stats on all those ''predatory lesbians'' ( ) that activists keep telling us all about, huh?

Can see it coming a mile off.

If a rapist finds he is being misgendered, perhaps he could just look away from the person doing it. It's rude to stare.

If you’re defending rapists in an argument with women it’s possible you’ve chosen the wrong side of the argument.

This is my favourite comment so far

If a rapist finds he is being misgendered, perhaps he could just look away from the person doing it. It's rude to stare.
Channeling MsPenny . Purgatory

@ErrolTheDragon

Can't she read? The submission includes this (section 23)which makes her assertion that women want sex recorded solely to 'stop trans people being recognised as their gender' look pretty silly. By all means record 'gender' as well as sex if you want. Absolutely no problem, good idea.

Perfect solution.

It'll also provide accurate records of how many offenders have a gender different to the one observed at birth and the offences they are more likely to commit. Makes it possible to target support services to particular groups of offenders for their rehabilitation and identify potential social issues that may be contributing towards the situation without erasing their gender identity by merely categorising them as Men or Women and ignoring the particular social, economic and medical challenges they face. Might enable them to reduce the rates of self harm and attempts upon their own lives that are often cited in discussions as a concern, as well as recidivism rates.

After all, surely you can't take steps to help a particular group without identifying that group, their particular difficulties or challenges and measuring the effectiveness of an approach to help that marginalised, vulnerable or maligned group, can you?

Am I allowed to say Fucking Hell to the OP thread?

Decided to ask Helen this. What do you reckon, vipers, will she answer, or block me for asking a question?

@334bu

*If a rapist finds he is being misgendered, perhaps he could just look away from the person doing it. It's rude to stare.* Channeling MsPenny . Purgatory

It's such good advice!

It fits everything!

Don't like that billboard saying Woman: Adult Human Female? Just look away!

Yyy re women are just as bad.

This gender not sex esp with sex offences which are just pretty much always a penis person.

Firstly, the press have for years given much more coverage to the times when women commit sex offences or extreme violence, murder.

This has the result of readers getting the impression that the women v men doing these things are not as massively different in likelihood as they really are.

The press are also very keen to give lots of coverage to anything where a woman has fabricated a report of rape. Or even when trials collapse because of errors of CPS etc. So no verdict. The impression they give is it was probably fabricated by her. Sometimes even referring to not guilty as found innocent/ exonerated etc.

Meanwhile men committing sex offences is so common that they only report the most extreme.

Again this skews the impression the public gets.

Then. MRAs have been arguing for years many things that the above will all give more weight to.

Women do it too
Women are just as bad if not worse than men but it's enormously under reported
It's a people problem not a man problem
Focusing on MVAWG is not fair on men who experience all this too
Etc etc

This result of increasing female stats for male pattern crimes is really helpful to MRAs and the more the stats are muddied the more ammo it gives them.

As society is so unconsciously keen on doing anything to avoid putting the spotlight on MVAWG. By victim blaming, positioning eg family annihilators as lovely men who had eg money worries and just snapped. Contradicting the usual idea that rape is a really awful crime, when there's a real life crime, often automatically looking for reasons he didn't do it or it was her fault.

In short the impact of using gender is way bigger than at first glance.

Reminiscent of the original #rapisthill

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3383043-First-they-came-for-the-rapists-and-I-did-not-speak-out-because-I-was-not-a-rapist

To Helen’s slight credit, she replied to direct questions……with what she might think is a “gotcha” about a theoretical transman raping with a neophallus, and why does it matter anyway, the numbers are all so small. Note the language she uses - that we “claim” rape can only happen with a penis. No one “claims” that, it’s the sodding legal definition in E&W.

I reminded her of the 6 women-with-penis a month being charged with rape stat that has recently come to light - not an insignificant number IMO (link in prev post upthread). And if it doesn’t matter anyway, why the objection to sex being recorded alongside gender identity?

I await further reply with interest.

In the statistically and physically extremely unlikely event that a transman was convicted of rape, of course the record should be sex Female plus gender identity "masculine". Why on Earth would mm think any of us would object to that? It would in fact be a good thing if the stats were there to show if there was or wasn't any change in behaviour correlated with use of T.

A ‘slight’ increase in %. In women committing rape? She is seriously entrenched that she will never be able to get out of that rabbit hole.

It is not in transwomen's interest to have both their sex and gender identity recorded as it would show the gaping chasm between their rates of offending and women's. This would of course totally invalidate all those so desperate on Twitter and even on threads here , to prove that women are just as bad as men, so why are we all worried about our single sex spaces becoming mixed sex.

I agree Gerbil. Her fundamental error, along with many other current extremists, is to claim that it’s a human right to be considered to be the opposite sex.

If course when people begin to see how problematic that is, they start to see how far beyond the pale the current demands made in the name of “trans rights” are.

But at least MimmyBirthedBody is proving both that she’s a purist, and is giving considerable assistance to those on this side of the debate.

Last time I looked at the statistics there were 140 women in prison for sex offences, and 14,000 men. An extra 436 'women' is going to make a massive difference. Even spread out over a few years.

These are not women's crimes. She wants to disguise how many transwomen commit rape.

The press is reporting regardless of a GRC. TRAs made sure of that. Which means that any rapist, or every rapist could get himself reported as a female.

If self ID was a thing it would be even easier. Every single sex offender in the country could do it in a heartbeat.

Those are the practical reasons.

What she really doesn't get tho, is that most people don't give a flying fuck about the feelings of a rapist forcing people to lie about his sex. The ideology means nothing.

Imagine being so far up your own ass that you are worried about if rapists’ feelings are being hurt by them being referred to as their biological sex!