Won't someone please think of the rapists

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Are you trolling us now?

Where does that 436 figure come from?

As a PP stated… Men’s rights activists would love to have these crimes down as women’s crimes sk they can say “women do it too”. We all know most sex offenders and rapists are men. You have to really question what the end goal is here.. it’s not about misgendering at all. It’s about being able to remove safeguards for women and children.

If they are able to show that women are just as sexually deviant, then we can’t argue for safeguarding for women and children.

Its Men’s rights activists in dresses. Different side of the same coin.

Last time I looked at the statistics there were 140 women in prison for sex offences, and 14,000 men. An extra 436 'women' is going to make a massive difference. Even spread out over a few years.

Rhona Hotchkiss and Anne Ryzlo mentioned there are 12 women's prisons in the UK. An extra 436 is 38 per prison.

So to be clear
Misgendering - literal violence and torture and a terrible abuse of human rights
Rape - not great

I'm beginning to suspect she's not all there.

Someone pointed out that biological sex is observed at birth, not assigned, and she replied:

Which “biological fact”?

'A cursory glance at genitals?
There’s a raft of other things that are used as signifiers of “biological sex”, besides the ones that are “observed”.'

What's particularly bizarre about her logic is this: you would think she would be keen to stop rapists identifying as female, because it supports the feminist argument that sex offenders will abuse self-ID. Or, alternatively, it supports the argument that trans women are just as likely to commit sex offences as men. So she's digging a hole for her own grave here.

The suggestion is the real reason is to erase trans-people.

Simple Solution: Also collect data on who is trans, so we can see what % of rapists are trans and trans are rapists.

What's not to like?

Erm

So mm is admitting that transwomen can be rapists then? That not all are harmless ?

@midgedude

Erm

So mm is admitting that transwomen can be rapists then? That not all are harmless ?

No, those rapists aren’t proper Transwomen

Her fundamental error, along with many other current extremists, is to claim that it’s a human right to be considered to be the opposite sex.

The infuriating thing is that this erroneous view is supported by very influential parts of the judiciary in the UK:

It is important to respect a person’s gender identity by using appropriate terms of address, names and pronouns. Everyone is entitled to respect for their gender identity, private life and personal dignity. In this chapter, where we have needed to use an umbrella term, we have generally used ‘trans’ or ‘transgender’ in its broadest sense.

72. Be alert to issues about how someone prefers to be addressed: showing respect for a person’s gender identity includes using appropriate titles (Mr/Ms) and personal pronouns (he/him/his; she/her/hers). Some trans people prefer gender neutral terminology (Mx/they/them/theirs), which should be accommodated if that is known.

73. Enquiries as to which personal pronouns/modes of address are preferred, although well-meaning, may be misinterpreted. Most of the time people, whether trans or not, make it clear what if any gender they identify as, by using commonplace gender cues such as name or by adopting dress commonly associated with a gender. If the individual has not already made it clear, then unless the issue comes as a surprise, it may best be addressed prior to the hearing, if necessary by the judge asking a clerk to enquire and perhaps suggesting to the clerk a form of words that might sensitively be used.

www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Equal-Treatment-Bench-Book-February-2021-1.pdf

Seriously - if that’s her ‘take’ then I worry for any females in her sphere.

To be clear - anyone who commits rape or sexual assault is terrible and should be punished, but legally disregarding a trans criminal’s gender is not it!

So those are transwomen, very bad transwomen, who deserve to be locked up with the people they attack.

‘Gender critical’ transphobes are lobbying Scottish Parliament on Wednesday to try and ensure the sex of people charged or convicted of rape or attempted rape is recorded.

This is an attempt to block trans people from being recognised as their gender.

As is so often the case with extremists, she is either not getting it or spreading misinformation here.

The petition is about recording the sex of an offender accurately to preserve the integrity of data used for crime statistics that is vitally important for crime prevention.

The recording of an offender's sex as biological sex has no bearing on how that offender will be treated within the justice system. There is no mechanism by which recording this data on the crime in question governs how the offender is dealt with. That is decided by policies which already implement self-id.

The only way the petitioners could even attempt to "block trans people from being recognised as their gender" would be for them to ask for those policies to be changed. That's not what the petition is about though.

A cursory glance at genitals?
There’s a raft of other things that are used as signifiers of “biological sex”, besides the ones that are “observed”.

By the time we got around to registering births there had been a lot more than a "cursory glance" at our babies! What fecking planet is she on?

As my birthing parent says: She just opens her mouth and lets the wind blow her tongue around.

if brains were dynamite she wouldn't have enough to blow her hat off.

As is so often the case with extremists, she is either not getting it or spreading misinformation here.

The petition is about recording the sex of an offender accurately to preserve the integrity of data used for crime statistics that is vitally important for crime prevention.

My impression is that many posters on FWR would like both to be recorded and the entire way through the legal and justicial process (plus custodial if relevant).

It may be a minor point in the context but someone who sees about Helen really needs to go round and remove the exclamation mark from her keyboard.

Because it makes! Her! Seem! Deranged!

*cares about

'Observe' is not a cursory glance, it's being used in the scientific sense. I can identify someone's sex by looking at a karyotype before they are born and observing if they have a Y chromosome.

@Hoppinggreen

So to be clear Misgendering - literal violence and torture and a terrible abuse of human rights Rape - not great

Just wanted to say

@JaninaDuszejko

'Observe' is not a cursory glance, it's being used in the scientific sense. I can identify someone's sex by looking at a karyotype before they are born and observing if they have a Y chromosome.

I'm pretty sure that by the time rapists charged, and certainly sentenced, their sex will have been observed in the worst way possible by the victims, but also from DNA. In many cases DNA is an important part of the physical evidence of the crime.

What an idiot.
Just record sex and gender if gender identity is that important. Besides would be nice to know rate of rape offenders that are MtF transwomen.
Since trans activists are soooooo convinced that MtF transwomen present zero risk to women/girls in single sex spaces, they surely would not object to such an opportunity to prove what they believe?

“Rhona Hotchkiss and Anne Ryzlo mentioned there are 12 women's prisons in the UK. An extra 436 is 38 per prison.”

Leaving aside all the safety factors that PP have already articulated…

38 per prison may not sound a lot, but that’s not factoring in that a proportion of the 12 will not be secure enough to house convicted rapists, so only one or two female prisons will get the bulk of these offenders.

Add in other transsexual offenders, who’ve committed non-sex crimes but who still want to be housed in the female estate, and it becomes a real problem for resourcing.

38 per prison may not sound a lot, but that’s not factoring in that a proportion of the 12 will not be secure enough to house convicted rapists, so only one or two female prisons will get the bulk of these offenders.

It sounded like a lot to me. On a recent thread somebody posted some very useful information about how few mother and baby units there are and how few spaces are funded there. Overall, although I reject the notion of "suitable" in this context, it seems as is there are very few suitable facilities (e.g., not mother and baby unit facilities; not places with very low level security).

No women's prisons should be housing these offenders. Women prisoners are not there to serve as somebody else's validation network: this wasn't part of their sentence.

Considering the vast majority of women in jail are there for non violent offences and some are with their babies. Yeah, just lob in a couple of rapists to keep things interesting...