Met Police officer becomes Britain's first 'bi-gender' PC

[Mollyollydolly]

Read and weep. Two warrant cards, one male, one female.
After this week and what we've learnt about the Met.

You couldn't make it up.

“The first time I walked into a Met building as Abi, I was hyperventilating so much I almost passed out.
I’ve done it a handful of times since and felt so happy that I got to be me at work. Abi is a part of me that exists and I want that part to be recognised and validated."

www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-officer-becomes-britain-s-first-bigender-pc-a3546881.html

I’ve just seen this. Beggars belief.

The links between misogyny and capture?

If an organisation does not value women and recognise their additional vulnerability and need for single sex spaces, it becomes easier to believe TWAW.

It's a shocking story. I've peaked several people with it and Phil/Pippa Bunce, because whatever they think about people who they see as transsexuals, most people see through this "genderfluid" nonsense.

We have just seen an explosion of institutionalised police violence against women come to light and yet they are happy to issue dual warrant cards on an officer's say-so with no checks or balances? I mean, wow! It's a green light to abusers. How can they not see it? Or maybe it should be why. But then it's an easy way to look progressive without having to make any actual changes. Let's hope they're all true trans eh ladies, after all it's hard to flag down a bus between stops.

[quote nauticant]There are transmen in the Police:

www.womenarehuman.com/autistic-teen-found-guilty-of-hate-crime-for-asking-police-officers-sex-autism-group-condemns-prosecution/[/quote]
That's so sad, ffs this madness has to stop.

Women had questions about this at the time, the Met declined to answer.

The first time I walked into a Met building as Abi, I was hyperventilating so much I almost passed out. I’ve done it a handful of times since and felt so happy

Well that’s totally normal and reassuring isn’t it? I think there is a three-letter term which covers that feeing of euphoria that certain male people get when dressing according to female stereotypes.

There is a point too at which it becomes requiring members of the public to be involved as non consenting participants in someone else's internal life. Where is the line in making inappropriate 'use' of others for own purposes while in a public serving role where customers can't just choose to go elsewhere?

What about police officers who may identify as age fluid, or ability fluid? Where are the lines please? And where is my authentic self's right to express that I identify as someone who does not want to have to involve myself in a police officers' personal complications in order to access police help?

Deleted for speaking the truth.
Thanks Mumsnet, how very predictable.
For anyone interested, my post was very similar to this one above:

"Well that’s totally normal and reassuring isn’t it? I think there is a three-letter term which covers that feeing of euphoria that certain male people get when dressing according to female stereotypes."

Except I used an apparently banned word. Doesn't make it any less true.

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Me too

Yes.

Unfortunately not saying the words and not letting anyone else say the words does not make anything go away.

@Artichokeleaves

Yes.

Unfortunately not saying the words and not letting anyone else say the words does not make anything go away.

Quite, those of us that have worked with a number of transwomen in male environments know exactly what that word is and frankly if I described how encountering it regularly at work makes me feel this post would probably be deleted too

[quote nauticant]There are transmen in the Police:

www.womenarehuman.com/autistic-teen-found-guilty-of-hate-crime-for-asking-police-officers-sex-autism-group-condemns-prosecution/[/quote]
The 'hate crime' in question was a teenager shouting "are you a boy or a girl?". Twice.

I'm not saying that's okay. I'm not.

But it's left this officer "reluctant to go on foot patrols alone".

I can't help but think that most coppers get far, far worse shouted at them routinely. As do most nurses. And pretty much anyone who has ever worked in a shop or behind a bar.

And, of course, that's not okay, either.

But I can't help but wonder if this person is cut out for a career in the police, not because of gender identity, but because criminals are occassionally known to indulge in a bit of foul language or name slinging. They might even use the big big D! It's clearly just too much to be endured.

It was a pcso not a police officer, and said individual appeared to spend the majority of working hours posting woke nonsense online.

I'd be surprised if that pcso did many foot patrols at all, never mind alone. But yeah, being asked "are you a boy or a girl" by an autistic youth isn't exactly hate crime of the century.

It seems convenient that the feeling of being Abi or Callum is routinely in place in time for the gender fluid officer to pick a uniform before each shift starts. What happens if their polarity reverses mid-shift? It must happen!

Oh dear, oh dear

I know this person and found the comments in this thread quite shocking. You got that story from The Sun. Doesn’t that ring alarm bells? It’s inaccurate (they were promoted from constable a long time before 2017), there are specialist roles in any police force that don’t involve uniforms or searching of suspects, and the dual warrant card angle is clearly inaccurate. Fancy jumping on any old red top tosh and taking it as gospel. Shame on you all

@NoraNik

I know this person and found the comments in this thread quite shocking. You got that story from The Sun. Doesn’t that ring alarm bells? It’s inaccurate (they were promoted from constable a long time before 2017), there are specialist roles in any police force that don’t involve uniforms or searching of suspects, and the dual warrant card angle is clearly inaccurate. Fancy jumping on any old red top tosh and taking it as gospel. Shame on you all

I share your concerns about the sun.

Here’s a Met policy document talking about a bi-gender officer who holds to warrant cards and has two Met email addresses.

www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/metropolitan-police/disclosure_2019/july_2019/information-rights-unit---transgender-policy

I don’t know if that individual is Callum/Abi or not but perhaps you could explain why the idea is “clearly inaccurate” when Met Police documents make it clear it has happened at least once.

*two warrant cards. Not to warrant cards. I blame the cat, who is currently head butting my fingers.

The Police Service is not there to validate the identities of those who work for them, their job is the prevention and detection of crims would be nice if they concentrated on that and serving the citizens who give them their consent to Police them and pay for the privilege through their taxes. Maybe we would have less VAWG if they spent more time on doing the job expected of them instead of virtue signalling this kind of nonsense.

You do realise the warrant number is the same on both cards?

@NoraNik nope, not a clue. Never seen a warrant card. No idea what one looks like. Why would I?

I do know that, when I was the victim of a sexual assault, I had a single police officer who I kept in contact through the investigation.

It would have been beyond confusing if I'd got emails from 'Fred' one day, and 'Jane' the next. I probably wouldn't have realised they were the same person. So I'd have found myself having to explain to 'Jane' what I'd said to 'Fred'. And vica versa. Which would have meant explaining the same intimate trauma twice. As it turns out, unneccessarily.

If I did know, I'd be worrying about what name/pronounds/email address I was meant to use today. And whether I'd get in trouble if I used the wrong one.

It would have been really stressful, which was the last thing I would have needed when bracing myself to give evidence on oath about what a predatory man had done to me.

@NoraNik

You do realise the warrant number is the same on both cards?

So? The name isn't is it.