Stonewall wade into the cervix debate

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And complain that the very things they lobbied for are now putting people at risk.

twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1442536359990743042

Yes Stonewall, if people change their sex markers on medical records they may not get the health care they need.

We told you this.

There just aren't enough facepalms.

For cervical screenings, only people with an ‘F’ marker on their GP registration are currently automatically invited for a screening. Although everyone with a cervix can request screening, the current IT system doesn’t automatically invite those with an ‘M’ marker.

This puts the onus on trans and non-binary people to request screening, and results in barriers to accessing this crucial healthcare. A recent study found that only 58 per cent of trans male and non-binary interviewees had been screened

It's like banging our heads against a wall - repeatedly. Everything that women warn about is beginning to happen. Pleased to see they're getting so much push back in the responses.

Are they suggesting that cervical smear invitations should also be sent to men?

Is there a missing tweet?

Stonewall … complain that the very things they lobbied for are now putting people at risk.

And it is, of course, all your fault. Isn’t it reassuring to know you can rely on some things never changing.

the current IT system doesn’t automatically invite those with an ‘M’ marker

Yeah, no shit Sherlock 🤦

Whodathunk that allowing people to falsify medical records would lead to serious issues?

Have they considered that people with gender dysphoria may be less likely to go for smears-

1. If they are named according to the sexed body that they are unhappy with, using words for female organs?

1. If you have never dysphoria.. Lying on you back and having something put up your vagina might be something particularly difficult to go through with.

So when GC feminists point this out they are horrible transphobes who want to deny trans existence, yet when stonewall point it out then they are trailblazers fighting for who knows anymore

If it wasn't so damn serious it would be laughable.

They're fearing the massive general public backlash at their past crazy shit.

Shredders whirring...

@merrymouse

Are they suggesting that cervical smear invitations should also be sent to men?

Is there a missing tweet?

Not sure. They seem to want a system where females are recorded as males but for the purposes of vital screening are somehow flagged as male so all the male get invited along with the females.

The most obvious solution is that medical records retain correct sex markers but also record gender identity for those who request it.

Blame the NHS?!

Good work stonewall. You’ve got yourself into a massive hole. Keep digging.

So encouraging people to change their sex on official records to match their gender identity - a bit like filling in the census as the wrong sex just because trans rights! - actually turns out to be a daft thing that ends up with people not getting the right healthcare? Who’d a thunk it? 🤦‍♀️

The constant trans activist mantra is that trans healthcare is not adequate, there are too many barriers to accessing healthcare, they should be able to change their sex markers as easily as possible etc. because sex doesn’t really exist/is in a spectrum anyway; — but then if it turns out that trans people are acting as their own barriers to healthcare then this is a scandal too? Why is it not okay for people who have lobbied to change their own records to take responsibility for chasing up healthcare that they’re actively putting themselves in a position not to get?

You can’t have it both ways - either you get healthcare that is accurate to the reality of your situation, or you get to have a pretence. But you can’t lobby to have the pretence, then complain that you didn’t magically get accuracy and reality.

We also call for training to be offered to providers to help them design inclusive services, to help patients feel comfortable accessing services, or to offer alternative routes that are more inclusive (not asking trans masculine people to use ‘well women’ clinics, for example).

Er... separate services they are comfortable with. But never permitted for women though..

Arseholes.

What an excellent use of NHS resources.

They're trying to sell another new lot of training - to overcome a problem they have fought for. Honestly, Stonewall is a multi level marketing scheme now.

I am still waiting for women with prostrate inclusive language........not happening and why? So you've managed to get a medical document, related to your sex, changed to suit your dysphasia. And now it's still 'my' responsibility to ensure you access sex based medical procedures and follow up, because gasp sex does actually matter.

Considering the absolute mess labour leadership are in as a result of "training" the NHS should not be chucking any more money at this incoherent babble.

The vast majority of those questioning/ pointing out the impacts on women and girls.

Have always said for records stats where relevant. Both sex and gender should be recorded.

This is advantageous as it gives the maximum information so both groups get the proper healthcare, and so that trans people have that marked so docs etc are aware.

In stats it means that both the experiences of female people can be analysed and also trans people. And actions to improve things can be targeted accordingly.

But it has always been insisted that ONLY gender should be collected. Including really important info. Crime, healthcare outcomes, poverty etc. The census fgs.

It's about the colonisation of all our words including female leaving none for us, and all if the places that were female only.

I wonder, if you look at women with a similar age profile to the majority of transmen, what % of them have been screened?

This puts the onus on trans and non-binary people to request screening, and results in barriers to accessing this crucial healthcare.

That would be because these individuals first requested a change in the sex recorded for them with the NHS.

The NHS obliged. It has a lot of automated procedures, because 66 million people to care for means that only automation of routine screenings is an efficient use of their resources.

The agreement trans rights campaigners fought for, and won, was that there would be no automatic marker on the records of these individuals to tell the system that they are, indeed, female and should be invited for screenings.

So, having fought for a system they were advised was potentially increasing risks for the patient, they are now complaining they got a system that is leading to increased risks for the patient.

Slow hand clap 👏

A recent study found that only 58 per cent of trans male and non-binary interviewees had been screened

Love to see the study. Is that 58% of medically transitioned patients, many of whom no longer have a cervix due to having to have full hysterectomy because of damage caused by testosterone, is that 58% of all registered with the NHS as male? On its own that number is meaningless.

A trans man recently argued on Twitter that many trans people choose to have their reproductive organs removed, rather than risk medical neglect which could be life-threatening.

He would like to see cervical screening appointments sent out to all people with cervices, regardless of how they identify.

I agree that some women who’ve had hysterectomies would find it upsetting to receive these appointment letters. But otherwise, I’m not sure how his idea would work. Should every patient be asked every few years if they have a cervix, and their answer recorded? What about the large number of women who don’t know what a cervix is or whether they have one?

Surely the only workable way is to assume all female patients have cervices, except for those whose medical records say otherwise? Trans men could be recorded as sex=female and gender identity=male. Maybe there could also be a pop-up note on their records to remind the GP that they’re trans?

I found the study: bjgp.org/content/71/709/e614

Look at this finding:

Only half (n = 68/134, 51%) of participants were in favour of an automatic invitation for cervical screening. Thematic analysis identified a number of additional barriers to and facilitators of screening.

It turns out that the thing Stonewall insist these patients must have - automatic invitations - is not wanted by half of them.

Sick of this bullshit

Trans men and the 'non binaries with a vagina' know damn fucking well that they have female bodies, biology, reproductive systems etc.

They KNOW they are 'included' by default in womens bloody healthcare.

Yes, they ARE their own barriers to healthcare.

Are we seriously supposed to believe that they would think an advert saying women should get a smear test doesn't apply to them too? Or birth control? Period products?

I wonder if they'll all be requesting a female to do their smear test, because after all, they are demanding that the sex based exemptions in the equality act that allow this, be removed, and if they are, they may well get a male nurse who 'identifies' as a woman and it would be transphobic to complain right? What is it they tell us? Oh yeah, get over your trauma bigots.....

It turns out that the thing Stonewall insist these patients must have - automatic invitations - is not wanted by half of them.

I dare say stonewall will come up with a nice, costly subscription service to provide all the complicated letters and database flags necessary to tackle the issue.

Just sign here ...

They KNOW they are 'included' by default in womens bloody healthcare.

Yes, they ARE their own barriers to healthcare.

Of course the do. The one thing that this entire ideology rests on is anatomy ffs.

@LobsterNapkin

I wonder, if you look at women with a similar age profile to the majority of transmen, what % of them have been screened?

Screening in England starts at 25 so I suspect the majority of those with trans identities are still too young to be called up for a smear test anyway.

Very few trans people have surgery to reproductive organs.

And I don't blame them.

So this is very unlikely surely-

'A trans man recently argued on Twitter that many trans people choose to have their reproductive organs removed, rather than risk medical neglect which could be life-threatening.'

Males with a trans identity are having all of their reproductive organs removed?
Well that definitely isn't true.

Trans men? Where are they getting this surgery? The NHS would blanche surely at plunging into sudden menopause. There are medical risks with having your ovaries etc removed.

And if they are worried about medical negligence then surely the number of things that will need periodic checks are more than before?

I just don't buy that at all.

Did they give a source?