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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rachel Reeves Shadow Chancellor LBC

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DysonSphere · 27/09/2021 07:57

When asked by Nick Ferrari as to whether she agrees that only women have a cervix, she became extremely flustered and refused to say yes, saying 'the debate had become toxic', and 'pits one groups against another'. After being pressed further she said: Only women have a cervix 'is something I would not say'.

A few threads ago there was some speculation that it might be ok to vote Labour again. For me personally, struggling with the UC cut, difficulties with food prices rising, facing freezing or eating due to inflating energy prices, experiencing the cruelty of the disability benefit system, with children facing a lowering of the threshold for repayment of uni loans, sadly, it's still Conservatives who will have to get my vote.

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EdgeOfACoin · 27/09/2021 10:13

I wish presenters would start asking whether only men have a penis.

Watching Labour politicians defend the 'lady dick' narrative would really ram home the point to the uninformed.

DysonSphere · 27/09/2021 10:20

Well LBC phoned me back 30 mins ago and said they would try to fit me in and would call back, and I've been waiting by the phone, but they haven't.

It's scary. If a woman in a position of considerable power, SCofE who would (feasibly) become responsible for raising revenue and public spending, who herself is a woman, who doubtless faces the reality of bi-yearly smear tests, finds it impossible to say women have a cervix then women are screwed. It's end game. Who is she going to be raising revenue from? What public services is she going to prioritise spending on? Whose needs is she going to take into consideration? Especially as she doesn't want to focus on women's body parts.

As one woman among many who has experienced discrimination within healthcare settings and some pretty sub par post-birth care, I find it terrifying that we have people in a possible future position of power over public spending who have no problem dismissing us. This has really brought home how much we stand to lose, because I can't see the tide being pulled back once a government is elected who takes this as their official stance.

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zanahoria · 27/09/2021 10:33

I wish presenters would start asking whether only men have a penis

I would love to hear Starmer cock that one up

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 27/09/2021 10:35

@PronounssheRa

One bashful and stammering, the other honest, clear and precise

twitter.com/LBC/status/1442389599645360128

The clip of Jean Hatchet who was excellent

She was awesome

I was hoping there would be a clip of jean

And it was funny when she commented on ‘bodies with a vagina’ honestly the look on his face….i bet he trotted off and googled that immediately

Mumsnut · 27/09/2021 10:39

At least we can say with certainly that the Labour Party has no balls

Artichokeleaves · 27/09/2021 10:40

f a woman in a position of considerable power, SCofE who would (feasibly) become responsible for raising revenue and public spending, who herself is a woman, who doubtless faces the reality of bi-yearly smear tests, finds it impossible to say women have a cervix then women are screwed. It's end game. Who is she going to be raising revenue from? What public services is she going to prioritise spending on? Whose needs is she going to take into consideration? Especially as she doesn't want to focus on women's body parts.

^^ This.

In fact a woman who sees funding as going to mens groups and needs when it's under the name of men, and to mixed sex groups and needs where male born people's needs will be prioritised when it's under the name of women.

Sex as a hierarchy where females are so subordinated that they cannot even be specifically mentioned, while at the same time making noises about sex not being binary or mattering.

Yes this hurts women. This is not inclusive. This has to stop now.

WindBlowAutumnDays · 27/09/2021 10:41

Emma ambushed the Scottish Labour guy on Radio 4, you could tell in the radio the blood was draining from his face as he panicked trying to get around her, the lower tone of voice, he was so uncomfortable.

WindBlowAutumnDays · 27/09/2021 10:44

Anyone listening to that segment would wonder why indeed one woman MP resigned and another woman MP couldn't attend Brighton, this stuff on the tail of their anti semitic behavior where female Labour MPs had to have security at conference too.

Ghostsintheshelf · 27/09/2021 10:45

@EdgeOfACoin

I wish presenters would start asking whether only men have a penis.

Watching Labour politicians defend the 'lady dick' narrative would really ram home the point to the uninformed.

Yes, I was just thinking that. The cervix is hidden away. It's almost abstract most of the time. Really not the case with a cock and balls, which blokes are adjusting all through the day and handling every time they have a wee.
Abhannmor · 27/09/2021 10:50

Reeves is on the Blairite wing of Labour. I'm fed up hearing this is a problem created by the left. Is Crispin Blunt far left? Or Suzie Green. All these big pharma creeps and millionaire surgeons like Sadhbh Gallagher or Johanna Olsen Kennedy . All socialists are they ?

Jaysmith71 · 27/09/2021 10:51

Maybe Carole Decker could do a cover of a song by a bloke called Alice?

WindBlowAutumnDays · 27/09/2021 10:51

Chelsea Clinton and her foundation are heavy into this.

WindBlowAutumnDays · 27/09/2021 10:55

True and fair - new Political party launched

Datun · 27/09/2021 11:06

That was cringing. It's remarkable how frustrated these politicians are by the question. Trying to sidestep it, avoid it, minimise or denigrate it. They know the bloody truth, they just, to coin a phrase, can't handle it. Literally. They can't deal with it.

And now that - their complete inability to handle the truth, has become the issue.

What journalist is not going to ask question after question now? Relentlessly. What is a woman, what is a man, the Staniland question, invoking people's elderly mother's choice of carer, etc?

It's also notable that people immediately recognise and subconsciously acknowledge the power behind the coercion. Transwomen. Biological men. Despite it ostensibly being transmen who have the problem.

If any journos are reading, please note that the word woman must be detached entirely from having a basis in female biology, in order that someone with male biology can claim it.

Hence saying only women having a cervix is transphobic, whilst simultaneously we must call women people with a cervix.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/09/2021 11:10

The Times have an article about Starmer's car crash interview. Share token:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ff088f68-1efd-11ec-a1fd-37d9030e4d65?shareToken=dac6be96e42a26ab0e4b415ca15dc214

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/09/2021 11:23

@WindBlowAutumnDays

True and fair - new Political party launched
I've just seen this. Launched by Gina Miller. Wonder if she knows what a woman is? She's certainly been on the receiving end of the same sort of rape and death threats that GC women receive.
Gastonia · 27/09/2021 11:23

Thanks for that Times link. I subscribe, but can't see it at all when I scroll down today's Times page.

Floisme · 27/09/2021 11:24

My great aunt, who remembered Queen Victoria, wasn't comfortable talking about women's bodies either. She used to whisper about her 'waterworks' and 'down there' and girls who 'got into trouble'. I had no idea what she was talking about until I hit puberty. When I first got involved in women's groups in the 70s, it was quite Shock at first to hear women talking openly about their periods rather than 'having a visitor'. Hard to believe the Labour Party wants to walk us us back to those times but here we are.

Fitt · 27/09/2021 11:25

What a lot of spluttering!

And straight to trans women when it's trans men and enbies causing this particular aspect of the shit show. Her subservience to the male sex is controlling her!

Labour are ridiculous.

PronounssheRa · 27/09/2021 11:44

Does anyone else wonder what the fuck Labour advisers are doing. At the moment they are failing at their job.

If that was me, I would be saying to Starmer that this is going down really badly with the voting public and we need to rethink our approach because you are all being made to look like idiots.

The press are going to keep asking this question.

Jaysmith71 · 27/09/2021 11:47

"The press are going to keep asking this question."

It's Kryptonite.

The people responsible for writing the cribsheets must be sacked today.

OvaHere · 27/09/2021 11:58

I don't know why it's difficult to say something like "of course only women have a cervix although a small number of women identify as a men or non binary and they will need the same reproductive health care too".

This is perfectly factual and acknowledges the identities of a small minority.

The reason I think they don't is because it makes it clear that transmen/female NB are subsets of women and if you go down that road then you have to also acknowledge than trans women/male NB are subsets of men. Something we have long said here on FWR.

Although it appears like the row around cervixes is in defence of transmen I don't actually think it is. It's the male cohort they are scared of who are the most vocal and aggressive and hold the most political power.

That group doesn't want transmen to be associated with any part of womanhood because the knock on effect of that is they can't stake a claim to it. See IW for further details.

Datun · 27/09/2021 11:58

It's Kryptonite

It is. Genius!

Jaysmith71 · 27/09/2021 12:03

On her feet now, talking a good deal of sense.

She can when she wants to.

littlbrowndog · 27/09/2021 12:08

There’s lots of interviews of labour politicians being asked the same thing on Twitter.

Every single one suddenly starts doing emotions talk about trans people being the very most marginalised and one woman actually said the most traumatised and the most suicidal people

It’s very strange to see this

Did we have last week a report about violence against girls and women an empidemic?

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