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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lesbians attacked with fire at Bordeaux Pride France

104 replies

BitMuch · 13/09/2021 09:55

Video of attack: www.facebook.com/112742101041568/posts/151966257119152/

The women from Résistance Lesbienne explain what happened in English: www.facebook.com/GetTheLOutUK/videos/603549947469615/. There were chants of "burn the TERF". The police did nothing to stop the attack and refused to confront the attacker when asked for help by the women, advising them to leave instead.

Tweets bragging about the attack were posted afterwards mobile.twitter.com/GetTheLOutUK/status/1437083779969978380.

OP posts:
YouJustDoYou · 13/09/2021 14:32

Let's call it for what it is though - it is an all out attack on women whatever their sexual orientation - any chance they get to abuse and attack women they will and enjoy every minute of it and they can always rely on the Poppy's of this world to excuse them, back them up and cheer them on

THIS.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 13/09/2021 14:34

I agree with peaceful protest…

I believe that people should be able to protest with out intimidation and/or the threat of violence, it does not make a difference to me whether i agree with those protesters or not

I do not understand those who think that people deserve that violence…

FloralBunting · 13/09/2021 14:40

Let's call it for what it is though - it is an all out attack on women whatever their sexual orientation - any chance they get to abuse and attack women they will and enjoy every minute of it and they can always rely on the Poppy's of this world to excuse them, back them up and cheer them on.

Aye, true enough. Lesbians are the canary in the coal mine because we're a very potent symbol of not complying with male demands, but at base we are serving as a lightning conductor for the hatred of all women.

Cannot emphasize enough how much I read each of these coercive, rapey fuckers and stick two fingers up at each and every single one, whether I reply or not.

I will not submit. Ever

RedDogsBeg · 13/09/2021 15:02

Lesbians are the canary in the coal mine because we're a very potent symbol of not complying with male demands, but at base we are serving as a lightning conductor for the hatred of all women.

I know FloralBunting, the treatment of lesbians by this ideology is stomach churning and it has been going on for a very long time, you are right you are the canaries.

I will not submit. Ever and I stand right by you.

Rhannion · 13/09/2021 15:10

@Shedbuilder

I know that tomorrow sees a demonstration outside the Sennedd in Cardiff. I wasn't going to go, but I've cancelled my work tomorrow and will be there. I hope other women will respond in the same way — by joining the protest, not running away. These things are done to scare us and we have to stand up to them. To the barricades, mes ams!
That’s brilliant , please give the women in Cardiff 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 our love and solidarity from the women of Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 Women of Wales won’t Wheest 💚🤍💜
EarthSight · 13/09/2021 16:08

Yay! Wish I could be there.

EarthSight · 13/09/2021 16:35

I hope you read these responses @PoppyMuldoon . I genuinely think you need to reconsider your initial responses, specially these -

The other side always seem to be minding their own business

I don't know where to start with that one but you must be living under a rock. I assume you've absorbed this view from other people in your social group and have not witness the vile harassment, much of it rapey and sexual, that women get when they step out of line of this subject.

Don’t attend the event and stick your face into those you’re campaigning against

They had an absolute right to be there. If it's an LGBT+ event, it's an event that represents lesbians for God's sake, who at the moment feel like they are being socially coerced into accepting relationships with trans people.

Same if the Klu Klux Klan turned up at a BLM march

The link you made here between these lesbians and Klu Klux Klan is absolutely abhorrent, and don't shy away from it, because it's nothing new to the women here. It's a tactic often used in certain newspapers we've seen that's been used to discredit women. One only has to mention women's campaigners in the same sentence as extremist groups enough times for simpletons to start accepting the link and begin parroting it to others, thinking it makes them sound righteous or knowledgeable.

You know who hates these types of women who stick up for themselves and their rights? It's the far-right, 'get back to the kitchen' type misogynists that these women are being mentioned with. It's the horrible resentful incels who wishes those bitches got what they deserved. We've seen it before Poppy. I remember seeing seriously dark corners of the internet more than a decade ago, maybe 15 years ago. The appetite to shut women up, the appetite to make them subservient & submissive, to make women both the wanting whore (who then deserves to be assaulted for either welcoming or rejecting advances) and the all accepting, validating mother (who is expected to sacrifice herself and her own needs) is absolutely insatiable.

Blibbyblobby · 13/09/2021 16:50

@PoppyMuldoon

You are all so consumed by your ridiculous contempt for trans you can’t see that you’re the aggressors. You’re the ones driving this. 80 million people in Britain. 1% maximum of that are trans. Probably lot less. What percentage of the 1% are bad? All of them? I’m presuming some are good. And you really think rapists or predators have put things on hold waiting for self id regulations? Complete hysteria. I thought you were all famous for critical thinking.
What percentage of the 1% are bad? All of them? I’m presuming some are good.

I would assume the % of trans women that are "bad" - which in the context of this topic I will define as violent, aggressive or abusive to female people - is the same % as the rest of the male population.

Do you have any evidence that it is not?

(I'll graciously ignore the prison stats that appear to show they are much worse because I believe they are distorted by the malign impact of self id)

Helleofabore · 13/09/2021 16:58

1% maximum of that are trans. Probably lot less. What percentage of the 1% are bad? All of them? I’m presuming some are good.

I would like to say this subset of males would have similar proportion of sex crime to all other males. Should we ignore the actual statistics?

fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-male-criminality-sex-offences/

What do you think? Do you have any evidence that suggests that we should ignore these checked statistics?

FloralBunting · 13/09/2021 17:04

I mean, one of them apparently just brandished a lit flare at a lesbian who was daring to be openly lesbian at a Pride parade, so I think we can definitely chalk that one up on the 'Bad' list.
Or can we? Poppy seems to think that sort of thing is find and dandy, so I'm guessing Poppy's definition of 'bad' and everyone else's might be a bit different.

AnyOldPrion · 13/09/2021 17:13

Having spoken to a number of lesbians about this, I understand that in the recent past, within the “LGBT community” the word

“T*rf”

was very much synonymous with

“lesbian who won’t sleep with a man who claims he is a woman”.

So given that activists have had “No T*refs on our turf” posters now for several years, would you agree Poppy, that they are equally aggressive? And do you believe they also deserve to be threatened with a lighted flare?

Abhannmor · 13/09/2021 17:23

@PoppyMuldoon

You are all so consumed by your ridiculous contempt for trans you can’t see that you’re the aggressors. You’re the ones driving this. 80 million people in Britain. 1% maximum of that are trans. Probably lot less. What percentage of the 1% are bad? All of them? I’m presuming some are good. And you really think rapists or predators have put things on hold waiting for self id regulations? Complete hysteria. I thought you were all famous for critical thinking.
Signal flares ignite at 191 degrees C and can burn at 1,600 degrees C. And you were disappointed not to see a petrol bomb. Not much thinking went into your post it would seem.
Passmeamenuatthetottenham · 13/09/2021 17:23

Turning up with their nasty banners and chants at an event all about love and acceptance seems quite aggressive to me.

Love and acceptance! 😂😂😂

Sophoclesthefox · 13/09/2021 17:24

Well said earthsite.

I’ve been on plenty of marches and demos where counter protestors, or groups that I don’t share a viewpoint with have showed up, and no matter how repellant I find them, I’ve managed never to try to intimidate them with flares or shout abuse at them. Imagine believing that women bring violence and threats of violence upon themselves for their beliefs- particularly when the belief is that lesbians can confidently state their sexual boundaries as they please.

Please do carry on, though, poppy- if you’re trying to demonstrate how lost to reason and morality some transactivists are, you’re doing a bang-up job.

QueenPeary · 13/09/2021 17:29

You are all so consumed by your ridiculous contempt for trans you can’t see that you’re the aggressors.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Hmm

In this situation a group of lesbians wanted to defend their right to be same-sex attracted and did not attack anyone.
Someone else attacked them with fire.
And the lesbians are the aggressors - yes?

What would you say if some lesbians attacked some trans people with fire? Would you say the trans people were the aggressors, for being so contemptuous and unpleasant as to defend their rights? No? If not why not?

Lesbians are being told they have to consider male bodied people as partners, and they are entitled to say no. That's all they are doing. That's not aggressive. It's peaceful protest.

Dislike of being pushed around and told who to be attracted to is not "contempt for trans people". It's being fucking pissed off with homophobic bullies and ideologues.

QueenPeary · 13/09/2021 17:34

nasty banners and chants Shock

vs lovely, accepting burning flare used to chase someone Flowers:)Halo

Can you even hear yourself?

I thought you were all famous for critical thinking.
Like you you mean?

RedDogsBeg · 13/09/2021 17:37

Please do carry on, though, poppy- if you’re trying to demonstrate how lost to reason and morality some transactivists are, you’re doing a bang-up job.

Indeed.

On the subject of contempt, yes I do have utter contempt for violent TRAs and their simpering allies who wilfully cheer them on.

Jaysmith71 · 13/09/2021 17:39

Love and Acceptance

Is a wonderful thing. Let's not waste it on anyone who disagrees with us.

FurzeMinister · 13/09/2021 17:53

@PoppyMuldoon

Not at all. If a bunch of people who claimed lesbians were a danger to society or should not be accepted at a lesbian event, I’m expect much the same. And the lesbians would be right to chase them. Same if the Klu Klux Klan turned up at a BLM march.
Have you never been to a Pride event? Of course "lesbians" wouldn't "be right to chase" people at a "lesbian event"; there would be police presence, and they would handle it.

Honestly, I know it's been COVID for 18+ months, but how are there people on here who've seemingly no life experience at all? Have you just always lived indoors and imagined what you think Outdoors might be like based on what you see and read online?

Go out; it's OK!!!! GlitterballHalo

Jaysmith71 · 13/09/2021 17:59

A bunch of unofficial Lesbians being chased by official monster raving Lesbians????

I hope there will be Benny Hill Music added to this spectacle.

ArabellaScott · 13/09/2021 18:02

@PoppyMuldoon

Trans hostile lesbians turn up at LGBT event and get chased by a girl waving a flare.

From the description on this thread I was expecting Molatov Cocktails. Dear me.

Turning up with their nasty banners and chants at an event all about love and acceptance seems quite aggressive to me.

Holy moly.

I shouldn't be by now, but I still am shocked.

'Nasty banners and chants' mean attacks with fire are justified.

What are these 'nasty banners', eh? What do they say? Tell us what words women are forbidden from speaking, thinking?

ArabellaScott · 13/09/2021 18:03

For anyone who is unsure of basic civil liberties:

We are free to have peaceful protests. We are allowed to hold beliefs such as 'sex is immutable'.

It is illegal to threaten, attack or assault people.

ArabellaScott · 13/09/2021 18:04

Not only is it illegal, it is MORALLY REPREHENSIBLE to advocate for violence. It is WRONG.

Where do people get these terrifying, extremist, violent ideas from? What is happening?

QueenPeary · 13/09/2021 18:16

Also can you explain exactly you think it is "hostile" to be same-sex attracted and want to have the right to say so without shame or attack?

This is exactly what the gay rights battle was fought for. You know the LGB part, the reason Stonewall existed in the first place.

There is nothing about being trans that inherently means you can't accept that some people are same-sex attracted (or indeed opposite sex, it's basically the same, if you are only attracted to one sex, then that's what you are attracted to). Is there?

Dashinghaberdashery · 13/09/2021 18:25

Terrorism against women asserting their sexual boundaries.