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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sonia Appleby has been awarded damages

133 replies

flowerpootle · 04/09/2021 18:08

It's in The Times. With this and Wi Spa I feel like the house of cards is falling...

Gender identity clinic whistleblower wins damages for ‘vilification’

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0f17622c-0da0-11ec-8be5-c970b7541460?shareToken=1b12651b6fe1f39a862e3020bcc6f2a5

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PaleBlueMoonlight · 04/09/2021 20:16

Great news. So pleased for Sonia.

doublemonkey · 04/09/2021 20:30

@MonsignorMirth

prevented her from proper work on safeguarding
Worth repeating over and over again.

I hope Mumsnet are taking note.

Datun · 04/09/2021 20:50

@MonsignorMirth

prevented her from proper work on safeguarding
This.

She was prevented from looking after the children in the care of the Tavistock.

Prevented.

EightiesRobot · 04/09/2021 20:54

That's wonderful. What is happening with costs?

Mollyollydolly · 04/09/2021 21:01

Well done Sonia. Another brave soul. Flowers

SorryAuntLydia · 04/09/2021 21:06

Great news. So happy for Sonia.

OperationDessertStorm · 04/09/2021 21:09

Epic!
Well done Sonia

Tibtom · 04/09/2021 21:10

I hope she is getting her costs paid by Tavistock

aliasundercover · 04/09/2021 21:16

Funny, I cannot seem to find the Guardian report about this.

AfternoonToffee · 04/09/2021 21:42

Great news for her.

Leafstamp · 04/09/2021 21:59

@aliasundercover

Funny, I cannot seem to find the Guardian report about this.
Funny that Hmm
TrainedByCats · 04/09/2021 22:32

Well done Sonia, the damages award is pitifully low compared to the toll this will have taken on her but the victory immensely valuable for future child safeguarding.

nauticant · 04/09/2021 22:48

Unfortunately Sonia is unlikely to get an award of costs:

www.frettens.co.uk/site/blog/employment-blog/can-an-employment-tribunal-award-costs

catzwhiskas · 04/09/2021 22:54

Another victory for women who speak out...wonderful. Though the award should have been considerably higher in view of the stress and aggravation Sonia has had to deal with. Safeguarding ffs....

GNCQ · 04/09/2021 23:01

Great news, but definitely not enough £.

Can I just pick up on this comment, sorry I've been "away", haven't been following stuff for a bit.

With this and Wi Spa I feel like the house of cards is falling...

What happened with the spa? Is there a thread/article?

JustcameoutGC · 04/09/2021 23:11

This case brought to my attention one of the most upsetting things I have ever read. There was a father who had taken his daughter to GIDS insistent on puberty blockers. There were strong suspicions that this was because he was sexually abusing her and wanted to continue to do so but avoid the possibility of her getting pregnant. And this service tried to sideline the safeguarding experts. I found that really hard to type. Every time I think of this I feel physically sick.

ScreamingMeMe · 04/09/2021 23:14

YES!

yourhairiswinterfire · 04/09/2021 23:19

@GNCQ

Great news, but definitely not enough £.

Can I just pick up on this comment, sorry I've been "away", haven't been following stuff for a bit.

With this and Wi Spa I feel like the house of cards is falling...

What happened with the spa? Is there a thread/article?

The suspect was revealed to be a sex offender. Warrant out for his arrest.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4338925-Good-news-on-the-WI-Spa-incident

The women were vindicated. We're still waiting for everyone that called them transphobic, right wing liars who set the whole thing up because they're bigots, to apologise for smearing the victims (including a little girl).

Passmeamenuatthetottenham · 04/09/2021 23:25

@JustcameoutGC

This case brought to my attention one of the most upsetting things I have ever read. There was a father who had taken his daughter to GIDS insistent on puberty blockers. There were strong suspicions that this was because he was sexually abusing her and wanted to continue to do so but avoid the possibility of her getting pregnant. And this service tried to sideline the safeguarding experts. I found that really hard to type. Every time I think of this I feel physically sick.
Where did you read this?!
ScreamingMeMe · 04/09/2021 23:27

@GNCQ

Great news, but definitely not enough £.

Can I just pick up on this comment, sorry I've been "away", haven't been following stuff for a bit.

With this and Wi Spa I feel like the house of cards is falling...

What happened with the spa? Is there a thread/article?

Charges have been filed against the penis- bearer, who is a registered sex offender.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4338925-Good-news-on-the-WI-Spa-incident

LazyViper · 04/09/2021 23:37

Such wonderful news. Well done, Sonia. You are an absolute hero. Flowers

NecessaryScene · 04/09/2021 23:39

Where did you read this?!

I first heard of it in this Times article: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/it-feels-like-conversion-therapy-for-gay-children-say-clinicians-pvsckdvq2

One female clinician estimates that she referred about 50 young people for puberty blockers. She now believes she referred too many. Their outcomes remain unclear. “When you start them on puberty blockers, you’re putting them on a pathway that could lead to sexual dysfunction problems and, for the younger kids, will definitely make them infertile. In what other specialism would physical intervention that leads to permanent change to the body be the first line of treatment for a vulnerable child? Activists will tell you it’s unethical not to intervene. But we know that not everyone with gender dysphoria will go on to identify as trans for the rest of their lives.”

One case has haunted her. “All the pushing was coming from the father to put the kid on puberty blockers. Thinking back on it now, I fear that the father was a paedophile and the child was being abused.” There is no suggestion the service knowingly ignored the case, and the outcome is unknown.

Did it come up during Sonia's case?

MiddlesexGirl · 04/09/2021 23:40

It's possible that the financial detriment was minimal and that the majority of the award was for injury to feelings, which may explain why the award is low.

www.citizensadvice.org.uk/work/problems-at-work/employment-tribunals-from-29-july-2013/making-an-employment-tribunal-claim-is-it-worth-it/employment-tribunals-legal-tests-that-apply-to-detriment-claims/

yourhairiswinterfire · 05/09/2021 00:02

I’m disappointed that in The Times article, Polly Carmichael is not mentioned, I wonder if she is in the ruling? Her evidence to the tribunal was quite bizarre.

Hannah Barnes has done a Twitter thread that briefly mentions her, so I think PC will feature in it.

From Twitter:

Sonia Appleby, child safeguarding lead for the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust, has been awarded £20,000 in damages, after employment tribunal rules she was subjected to ‘detriment’ after blowing the whistle on safeguarding concerns.

Sonia Appleby had raised concerns about safeguarding in the Trust’s Gender Identity Development Service, after a number of clinicians had been to see her with their worries on several occasions.

Together with Deb Ccohen we revealed on BBCNewsnight how GIDS staff told the Trust’s medical director, Dr Dinesh Sinha, that there had been an instruction from GIDS director Polly Carmichael not to take safeguarding cases to Mrs Appleby.

The Trust denied this allegation at the time of broadcast and during the course of the hearing. However, the judgement notes that when answering questions, ‘Dr Carmichael was often both verbose and imprecise’.

The tribunal panel believe there had been such an instruction:
"... there was a message being communicated to GIDS staff by Dr Carmichael , at the time of the Sinha review, that they should not take Safeguarding issues to the claimant… because she was hostile to GIDS.’

Furthermore, “It was clear from Dr Carmichael’s discussion after the event … that she did doubt the claimant’s good faith and neutrality in what GIDS were doing,” the judgement says.

The panel said Dr Sinha behaved in a 'judgemental and punitive' way towards Appleby, who questioned not just GIDS' record-keeping 'but the lack of rigour in the service model for making judgements about whether there was background abuse requiring consideration of Safeguarding'

Dr Sinha’s (Tavistock medical director) treatment of Mrs Appleby “can only be explained as materially influenced by her disclosures, which were viewed by him (and others) as unwarranted interference, overstepping her proper role,” the judgement says.

Commenting to the Times, the Tavistock Trust said: “The trust is disappointed by the Tribunal’s decision and is considering it carefully. It would be inappropriate to comment further at this stage.”

NB: The tribunal made no judgement on the treatments offered by GIDS, but rather the rights and wrongs of how Sonia Appleby had been treated.

twitter.com/hannahsbee/status/1434241564499451909

ANewCreation · 05/09/2021 00:48

@aliasundercover

Funny, I cannot seem to find the Guardian report about this.
Article up now

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/04/gender-identity-clinic-whistleblower-wins-damages