Good news on the WI Spa incident

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I just saw this reported on Facebook:

nypost.com/2021/09/02/charges-filed-against-sex-offender-in-wi-spa-casecharges-filed-against-sex-offender-in-notorious-wi-spa-incident/amp/?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR1e_ws81-vaALSlUfdhuYlufJNoLzR31q-WII_WCUISsfR5Rnvx-21RtFc

Imagine even ten years ago the thought of otherwise intelligent people tying themselves up into linguistic knots in order to defend a serial pervert. That a bloke with his cock out in the womens changing room could be redefined as not a bloke, and it's not a cock if some magic words were uttered. It's like what some students might scribble for their end of term play after doing a load of drugs and binge-watching Chris Morris.

I know, Beowolfa. I’ve enjoyed some crazy science fiction/ fantasy in my time. But if anyone had offered today’s reality as a scenario, I would have thought that’s too unrealistic, it’s just silly.

Posted this on another thread too.

A story in 3 parts.

@NiceGerbil

I just don't buy this.

I know I say it all the time. But even if got money etc young women go to pubs bars clubs. They walk on the high streets and travel on public transport if in larger cities, certainly do in London. They have boys at school give them shit (see recent reports of sex assaults in expensive schools). They have boyfriends and so are as likely as any others that age to experience coercion from whenever they start snogging boys etc which is school age for most. They are not immune from abuse from family members, people in positions of trust etc etc.

So no I don't buy it. It's a nice out but I don't buy it. Something else is going on.

Probably the same mechanism as woman and girls minimising male dodginess generally. A fear of not agreeing with the prevailing doctrine. Rape myths and victim blaming type response.

That's my best guess anyway.

Honestly, in my teens and twenties my desire to act as though I lived in a world with few risks was greater than my fear of boys and men. I don’t think that is unusual. I went to a single sex school with one male teacher and the girls were more likely to shout abuse at the boys from the neighbouring school than vice versa.

I’d also guess that girls and women from that kind of background (privileged, sheltered) continue to be more likely to go on to have loud voices in politics and media.

@NiceGerbil

I just don't buy this.

I know I say it all the time. But even if got money etc young women go to pubs bars clubs. They walk on the high streets and travel on public transport if in larger cities, certainly do in London. They have boys at school give them shit (see recent reports of sex assaults in expensive schools). They have boyfriends and so are as likely as any others that age to experience coercion from whenever they start snogging boys etc which is school age for most. They are not immune from abuse from family members, people in positions of trust etc etc.

So no I don't buy it. It's a nice out but I don't buy it. Something else is going on.

Probably the same mechanism as woman and girls minimising male dodginess generally. A fear of not agreeing with the prevailing doctrine. Rape myths and victim blaming type response.

That's my best guess anyway.

There are really a fair number of women who don't feel they have had these experiences. They haven't had dodgy family members. Sexual harassment at school hasn't been a thing, or very low level. They aren't scared when they go out and haven't been bothered in the street. They haven't had problems at work.

When I was a student, I worked at a women's resident, and it was really notable how for many of them, even basic cautions were not something they thought about, or they thought about them illogically. They might use the walk-home service to avoid being attacked in the street (unlikely) but would happily go off to the house of some bloke they'd met 5 min before when both were drunk, without a clear sense of where it was or even leaving a message for someone like a roommate when they might be expected back - a much more likely scenario for a bad experience or assault.

Most also did not understand why a few girls weren't so keen on having men just come in and out of the bathrooms in the residence areas, and those that didn't like it were pressured into not complaining.

This was well before gender ideology was a factor. They were just very young and had not had the kinds of experiences that made them naturally cautious.

Jesse Singal's thread is interesting:

Bennet Kelley tweeted publicly that the Wi Spa incident didn't appear to be a hoax, since he was an eyewitness to the immediate aftermath (as proven by alternate-angle video he posted). He says no journalists other than me reached out to him to ask what he saw. [cont.]

twitter.com/jessesingal/status/1433637495523184643

Kelley was waiting in a line and videoed some of the action in the lobby.

Mail are on it now.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9951917/Trans-woman-sparked-outrage-exposing-penis-LA-spa-named-CHARGED-indecent-exposure.html

So, looks like someone up thread called it. So, he is a woman because he says he is. Ergo, it is impossible for him to indecently expose himself in a location where nudity is expected, and the only reason he is on the sex offenders register is because the world can't accept his lady penis in places where is penis should not be.

They are going to throw in with the nonces. They are actually going to protect the interests of convicted nonces over the rights of women and children.

Fuck

25 years ago before a lifetime spent working in child protection I was a much more liberal feminist.

I didn't particularly fear men.
I had gone to school with a decent set of boys.
I had been raised culturally to accept that men were physically violent so that didn't even cause me to raise an eyebrow.
I was fine with accepting the couple of minor sexual assaults I'd experienced were a few bad apples.

I didn't expect men to harm me and they didn't so I didn't really see many problems. I was very ego-centric.

It also took a fair time for me to critically look at TWAW. ( I'm starting to think I'm not that bright!)

So I am not surprised that other young women have similar viewpoints to the ones I had.

They are going to throw in with the nonces. They are actually going to protect the interests of convicted nonces over the rights of women and children.

They have to otherwise TWAW falls apart.

How do the brains of all those who dutifully recite TWAW actually process information like this? What would be the actual trigger point for them to look like Bob Hoskins at the end of The Long Good Friday?

They are going to throw in with the nonces. They are actually going to protect the interests of convicted nonces over the rights of women and children.

Yep. Rapists and paedophiles feelings are already prioritised over women's safety, hence them being housed in women's prison, some with mother and baby units. Women or children being hurt/raped/sexually assaulted is a price worth paying 😞

The state of the world when it's ''discrimination'' to prevent a sex offender from sex offending, and ''progressives'' cheer this on and defend it.

Fucked up clown world.

Is "nypost" daily an actual reliable news site? It kindof looks like "worldnewsdaily" or those other sites that are just satire made-up stuff.

The daily mail has posted an article too but I'm not seeing anything on the BBC or Sky or any actual news site.

btw Microsoft's newest browser Edge now warns visitors to the daily mail that it is not credible: www.theguardian.com/media/2019/jan/23/dont-trust-daily-mail-website-microsoft-browser-warns-users

The desperation to excuse any behaviour no matter how bad from TRA baffles me! You’d think they would be horrified by TW, indeed anyone, behaving in such an appalling way but no

It’s either
“Didn’t happen”

Or when they finally grudgingly accept it absolutely did happen,
“It wasn’t that bad”
Or
“You’re just using this as an excuse to be meeean and anyway not true trans”

Are you saying that this person had not been charged then, Margarita? Are you saying this person also doesn’t have a Criminal record dating back to early 2000s of sex offences?

Are you really going there?

Is "nypost" daily an actual reliable news site?

It's more reliable than Pink News. And it's not a satire site, if that's what you mean. The arrest and person's history is now being more widely reported. It is real.

The LAPD has made an official news release. Perhaps they'll pick it up now.

twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1433586845179318273?s=19

[quote MargaritaPie]Is "nypost" daily an actual reliable news site? It kindof looks like "worldnewsdaily" or those other sites that are just satire made-up stuff.

The daily mail has posted an article too but I'm not seeing anything on the BBC or Sky or any actual news site.

btw Microsoft's newest browser Edge now warns visitors to the daily mail that it is not credible: www.theguardian.com/media/2019/jan/23/dont-trust-daily-mail-website-microsoft-browser-warns-users[/quote]
Well, you seem to trust The Guardian, so here you go.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/02/person-charged-with-indecent-exposure-at-la-spa-after-viral-instagram-video

I was wondering if any of you would pop up. I would be very very careful going down the it hasn't happened route. Sooner or later there will be incontrovertible proof. Then you will have to answer the real question.

Do you support convicted nonces who claim transgender identify having access to spaces where there are naked women and children. Everything else is fucking irrelevant.

There are laws in lots of places in the US that prohibit convicted sex offenders from being in the presence of children. I expect that's irrespective of sex. So maybe that's the law that was broken.

btw Microsoft's newest browser Edge now warns visitors to the daily mail that it is not credible:

However libel laws in the U.K. mean that it would be difficult for them to post something that was completely untrue.

You might not like the way the story has been presented, but it’s unlikely that they would say the person charged had previous convictions if that wasn’t true.

I'm not really sure who to believe tbh, there seems to be 1001 different variations of this story everywhere you look

Keep up Margarita, the party line is pivoting away from “it never happened” to “this is a sex offender, not a trans person, and this will only encourage transphobia” OR “this poor beleaguered transwoman is constantly being unfairly targeted for habitually getting her penis out in women’s spas”. You gotta pick one and go for it

The arrest and person's history is now being more widely reported. It is real.

Everything in that NY Post article is a straight statement of facts, unlike most previous reports from places like the Guardian, which were mainly speculation.

The stuff about the charges were, as Purgatory noted, later confirmed by the police. The rest is public record.

The NY Post did investigation to deduce Merager's identity, to get the scoop, went through the public record, and then got the interview. Textbook journalism, making other outfits look like idiots.

The only possible scope for misrepresentation in that article would be misquoting Merager.

So worrying about the source

(On which note, a puzzle for FWR readers. In the quote "You allow [trans women] to go in there [women’s spaces] and then people simply claim indecent exposure and you’re arrested”, what is "[trans women]" substituting for? I've not found an obvious answer.)

@Theeyeballsinthesky

The desperation to excuse any behaviour no matter how bad from TRA baffles me! You’d think they would be horrified by TW, indeed anyone, behaving in such an appalling way but no

It’s either
“Didn’t happen”

Or when they finally grudgingly accept it absolutely did happen,
“It wasn’t that bad”
Or
“You’re just using this as an excuse to be meeean and anyway not true trans”

Deny Minimise Then play the victim

Classic abuser behaviour

@merrymouse

btw Microsoft's newest browser Edge now warns visitors to the daily mail that it is not credible:

However libel laws in the U.K. mean that it would be difficult for them to post something that was completely untrue.

You might not like the way the story has been presented, but it’s unlikely that they would say the person charged had previous convictions if that wasn’t true.

Clearly does have prior convictions. Look at this story from 2013.

extract

Darren Agee Merager, 43, allegedly broke into Gundlach’s home between Sept. 12 and Sept. 13, and stole items worth at least $3.2 million, said L.A. County Deputy Dist. Atty. Alva Lin.

Merager then allegedly returned hours later and stole Gundlach’s 2010 red Porsche Carrera at the behest of Jay Jeffrey Nieto, 45. Nieto would allegedly help hide the stolen art and other items at his car audio store.

(Continues)

Merager, who has multiple prior convictions, is facing more than nine years in state prison if convicted.

Continues: latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/01/six-charged-in-multi-million-dollar-santa-monica-art-heist--1.html

So, I have a question. Would anyone here in support of this person be willing to give this individual, with a history of art theft, access to her house if she had a private art collection or an expensive car herself?

If the answer is no, could you explain why you're willing to give Merager access to naked women and children? Surely people are more important than cars, not less?

@MargaritaPie

I'm not really sure who to believe tbh, there seems to be 1001 different variations of this story everywhere you look

The victims are the only people that haven't changed their tune multiple times.

Does that not tell you anything? Anything at all?