Sarah Ditum on Comedy, Cleese and Cancel Culture

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And Robin Ince but he would have would have spoilt my lovely alliteration:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/8f78d730-0773-11ec-89b3-29a9a04e8645?shareToken=0beb0b744698a4d9e8c28eaca485b280

Thanks Igneococcus.

The comment about Frankie Boyle is absolutely spot on.

It has been remarkable over the last few years to watch boundary-pushing comics such as Frankie Boyle pivot from rape punchlines to woke cheerleading without missing a beat, and without tempering his viciousness: he’s simply moved on to the new acceptable target now that sexual assault is officially not funny any more.

Thanks for the share. It's not Robin Ince's week, is it?

I want to keep calling him Robin Whince, but I bet he's heard this variation on his name since primary school.

What a wonderfully written piece. Thanks for sharing!

The ageism at the heart of the criticism of John Cleese is palpable. I wonder also if some of the people shouting about this are having a tiny chink of doubt about their own righteousness...

The white and middle class criticism really is something, when the loudest voices in this, especially in gender woo, are almost all white, middle class and male, plus a large cohort of white, middle class girls at single-sex private schools, and white, middle class young women in publishing and theatre.

@IvyTwines2

The white and middle class criticism really is something, when the loudest voices in this, especially in gender woo, are almost all white, middle class and male, plus a large cohort of white, middle class girls at single-sex private schools, and white, middle class young women in publishing and theatre.

I especially find the "old/middle-aged middle-class white men" thing very strange when it's coming from old/middle-aged middle-class white men.

I watched a TikTok video where a young black woman was really upset about it all. She felt that white, middle class males were assigning themselves label to be more oppressed than black women.

I want to keep calling him Robin Whince, but I bet he's heard this variation on his name since primary school.

Somebody on another thread suggested 'Robin Incel'

What has John Cleese ever done for free speech?

The Frankie Boyle pivot phenomena is astonishing. It’s like if Bernard Manning married his MIL.

Jimmy Carr said recently that he’s probably already told the joke that would end his career and it’s just a matter of time before it resurfaces. I hope this is true for the rest of them.

The white middle aged men bagging out slightly older white men in order to stay on the right side of relevance just smacks of desperation.

After Frankie Boyle gave up on picking on disabled children he was a brilliant political commentator. I didn't agree with much that he said, but he said it well.

Now he's only repeating "women shut up" in a variety of ways.

Many men have disappointed me before now, and I guess it was just his turn.

Another old guy who is sharp as a whip is William Shatner. The wokelords of Twitter piled onto him a few months ago. He destroyed them. Perhaps being 80 gives you that idgaf energy.

and white, middle class young women in publishing and theatre.

And the voluntary sector.

After Frankie Boyle gave up on picking on disabled children he was a brilliant political commentator. I didn't agree with much that he said, but he said it well.

Now he's only repeating "women shut up" in a variety of ways.

Many men have disappointed me before now, and I guess it was just his turn.

Completely agree.

Many men have disappointed me before now, and I guess it was just his turn.

@BraveBananaBadge

Thanks for the share. It's not Robin Ince's week, is it?

What else has he been involved in? I miss everything. Everything I tell ya!

Oh, and I just went on Twitter to see what he'd been saying, and - his account has been deleted. You can do that and reinstate it though, can't you? When you think it's safe to go back into the water...

Robin Incel

@Abhannmor

Another old guy who is sharp as a whip is William Shatner. The wokelords of Twitter piled onto him a few months ago. He destroyed them. Perhaps being 80 gives you that idgaf energy.

Do you have a link, I would love to read that?

That's a really good article, thanks for sharing.

I have never heard of Robin Ince... And I detest the idea that beyond a certain age you aren't allowed to have an opinion.

I have a Shatner link, NeeDD! It's not to the Twitter stuff, but this is brilliant, anyway:

• here's an article on his Twitter stuff:

www.forbes.com/sites/dawnstaceyennis/2020/08/08/william-shatner-tangles-with-trans-twitter-over-the-word-cisgender/?sh=63e3524d6b1b

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

After Frankie Boyle gave up on picking on disabled children he was a brilliant political commentator. I didn't agree with much that he said, but he said it well.

Now he's only repeating "women shut up" in a variety of ways.

Many men have disappointed me before now, and I guess it was just his turn.

Completely agree with all of this.

He came off the fence on the trans issue with an ill-conceived tweet telling women what to think, because he knows some. It didn't go well:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4333117-I-Robin-Ince-doing-that-thing

[quote ArabellaScott]- here's an article on his Twitter stuff:

www.forbes.com/sites/dawnstaceyennis/2020/08/08/william-shatner-tangles-with-trans-twitter-over-the-word-cisgender/?sh=63e3524d6b1b[/quote]
What a depressingly bad faith article, I didn't think Forbes was that silly. Although the 'award winning' journalist rings a bell (or alarm bells)