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Hana contraceptive pill

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EastWestWhosBest · 27/08/2021 23:41

I’ve just followed an ad on here for the Hana contraceptive pill and I was pleased to see that it said it was for women and people with uteruses.

I just wanted to say well done to them on the wording.

www.hana.co.uk

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Tibtom · 27/08/2021 23:52

'people with uteruses' is unnecessary and inaccurate. It is not for young girls. Women suffices.

AnneLovesGilbert · 27/08/2021 23:53

Well done for what exactly?

CMcA21 · 27/08/2021 23:53

Tibtom I think it’s clear it’s not for ‘young girls’ who haven’t started their periods yet/ aren’t sexually active. I think the language is more inclusive for people who may be transitioning or questioning gender identity or for non-binary people who still biologically have a uterus

AnneLovesGilbert · 27/08/2021 23:54

How can anyone have a uterus in a non biological way?

MistyGreenAndBlue · 28/08/2021 01:16

@AnneLovesGilbert

How can anyone have a uterus in a non biological way?

I keep mine in my other trousers

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 28/08/2021 01:26

Nice to see they are aware that some of their target market prefer to be referred to as "women" in marketing copy aimed at us. If they think they will get more customers by adding "people with uteruses", that's between Hana and the potential customers who don't like to be called women.

NiceGerbil · 28/08/2021 01:32

I've not really an issue with both.

It's when the words woman/ girl are nowhere to be seen that it's out of line.

NecessaryScene · 28/08/2021 06:09

I always find such constructions jarring. The "and" is illogical, as it seems to be saying there are two groups, and this is for either.

There's only one group this is for, but that group is being addressed in two languages.

And the 'and' makes it less accurate if interpreted as either language, wrongly including transwomen for gender-speakers, or girls for English speakers.

I'd approach it like 2 very similar languages, eg Danish and Norwegian, where you can mostly get away with one piece of dual-language text, using 'blah/foo' for words that differ. So it's for women/people with uteruses.

(Clunky because genderese doesn't have simple words for useful groups, unlike English, Danish or Norwegian)

Deliriumoftheendless · 28/08/2021 07:12

I prefer this to not using the word woman at all. I appreciate it’s not popular with everyone but it keeps twitter mobs off their backs without leaving women out of it all together.

If this ends up being the way female only products are described it will be interesting to see if TM and female NBs are happy to be described as “people with a uterus.” Which we have been told is fine (when used about women) despite many of us not being happy with that description.

I know many people here are in the “women will do” camp, but “women, girls, transmen and non binary females (insert preferred term here)” covers everyone and would be a better way to go IMO.

334bu · 28/08/2021 07:18

If it helps a few people why not? However, why don't we also see adverts discussing erectile disfunction addressed to men and people with penises?

334bu · 28/08/2021 07:21

Sorry " erectile dysfunction"

EdgeOfACoin · 28/08/2021 07:38

It bothers me because I think it feeds into the idea that the word 'woman' means something other than adult human female. What does 'woman' mean in this context? (Indeed, in any context?)

However, I suppose it's better than 'people with uteruses' on its own.

I'm just so fed up of this utter, utter nonsense.

Deliriumoftheendless · 28/08/2021 07:48

@334bu

If it helps a few people why not? However, why don't we also see adverts discussing erectile disfunction addressed to men and people with penises?

And if we ever start seeing that as a matter of course I won’t object as much to the removal of the word woman- but I suspect we won’t see it as some people with penises would not accept that descriptor and apparently they matter more than women do.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/08/2021 07:49

It's a fucking nonsense but if there are some women who are so triggered by the idea of being accurately named in relation to contraception then I suppose we have to put up with the world salad.

As 334bu points out, I await the targeting of condoms at people with penises....... tumbleweed......

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EastWestWhosBest · 28/08/2021 07:58

I like that they have the word women there but are also acknowledging that some people who have a uterus don’t identify as a women.
I much prefer this wording, with women front and centre, than the removal of the word women all together.

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CMcA21 · 28/08/2021 08:05

@AnneLovesGilbert nobody said that they could, you’re twisting the words I used to try and be ‘funny’ but really it’s just ignorant

AnneLovesGilbert · 28/08/2021 08:45

There’s nothing remotely funny about dehumanising women as being people who have uteruses. Women who don’t have uteruses aren’t going to be customers for any sort of contraceptive pill. This one, along with all the others, can only be of use to women who have uteruses.

I was hoping to educate myself about how you can have a uterus in a non biological way but sadly that hasn’t happened yet.

EishetChayil · 28/08/2021 08:55

People with uteruses is unnecessary.

I've never seen a Viagra advert targeted at "men and people with penises." Funny, that.

Tibtom · 28/08/2021 09:08

As others have said, it is trying to divorce the word woman from its meaning. It is part insidious undermining of language that identifies half the adult population.

Whatwouldscullydo · 28/08/2021 09:12

Its better than not using the word woman.

However woman just means adult human female so its about sex not identity. So the word woman is already inclusive of all or no gender identities amongst those born female.

KittenKong · 28/08/2021 09:14

@EastWestWhosBest

I like that they have the word women there but are also acknowledging that some people who have a uterus don’t identify as a women. I much prefer this wording, with women front and centre, than the removal of the word women all together.

‘Identify as’ isn’t the same as is. Why be so coy?

Whatwouldscullydo · 28/08/2021 09:17

The only reason any of these people can get away with using the phrase " people with uteruses " etc

Is because someone else was the " bad guy" and explained about biological sex.

It infuriates me because they cash in on all the benefits of people they often publically denounce , but they couldn't do it with out us.

NotDonna · 28/08/2021 09:34

This still baffles me. Does woman refer to gender rather than sex? And female refer to sex rather than gender?
Are trans men happy to be referred to as female or not? I understand in this instance a female would include children and thus not appropriate.
I think women/people with uteruses (like the / rather than and) as it’s the same group not two different groups.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 28/08/2021 09:39

Under the circumstances, and given the number of enby children of family friends, I have to wonder what wouldn't be distressing to them? Some of them are 'male presenting' or 'female presenting' but others have opted for neutrois.

Cailleach1 · 28/08/2021 10:33

@EastWestWhosBest

I like that they have the word women there but are also acknowledging that some people who have a uterus don’t identify as a women. I much prefer this wording, with women front and centre, than the removal of the word women all together.

What about Catholics who don't follow the church's teaching on contraception? They should be added if you want to cover multiple identities?

I'm sure there are many more identities who could as validly be put in there.

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