Hana contraceptive pill

[EastWestWhosBest]

I’ve just followed an ad on here for the Hana contraceptive pill and I was pleased to see that it said it was for women and people with uteruses.

I just wanted to say well done to them on the wording.

www.hana.co.uk

I'm really ok with their labelling. This is the point of inclusivity.

Why is this important? Everyone knows what the word means. Inclusivity would imply that it makes sure that anyone reading the pack understands what it is and what it is for.

[quote CMcA21]@MolyHolyGuacamole I’m realising that 😂 bit odd but they better get used to it because this is the norm now[/quote]
The norm that there is no collective noun for the group formerly called women, and therefore it's impossible to define laws, rights, spaces and protections for a group that has suffered and still suffers personal and systemic disempowerment?

The norm that since the structures that were put in place for that group continue to exist but are now open to an entirely different group, society is not seeing the disempowerment and denaming being enacted against the group formerly called women, and is in fact labelling it "progressive" even as female rights and protections are dismantled?

Yeah, I'm not going to get used to that, and I'm never going to say it's ok.

@WhatwouldscullydoI think most people know if they have a uterus or not

Actually the average reading age I the UK is something like 12.

A significant number of women and girls don't know they have a cervix fir example.

How do you identify which people to tell that they have a uterus? How donthey know what category they fall under.

What definitions do you use? How does one know they are a woman or.of they have another identity. What are the feeatured of these identities so that the relevant people can work.out what they are?

But if we take this to its logical conclusion listing everyone who might need the product, we should add (but not Transwomen) on the end - which would be horribly offensive to some and likely to get the factories burnt down. Why be so specific on one hand and so vague on the other? It’s ok to offend one group, apparently?

The contraceptive pill is for female biology. There isn’t one for male biology, unfortunately.
Nonbinary is an adopted description with no bearing on reality or biology. People with uterus is a very offensive way to refer to women for those who accuse GCW of reducing things to biology.
Biologically speaking no other human being, apart from females, have an uterus.

@EdgeOfACoin

It bothers me because I think it feeds into the idea that the word 'woman' means something other than adult human female. What does 'woman' mean in this context? (Indeed, in any context?)

However, I suppose it's better than 'people with uteruses' on its own.

I'm just so fed up of this utter, utter nonsense.

I feel exactly this too.

@EdgeOfACoin @SirVixofVixHall hope you’re both ok x

@KittenKong

Why is this important? Everyone knows what the word means. Inclusivity would imply that it makes sure that anyone reading the pack understands what it is and what it is for.

It is important because if the word Woman had not been redefined to become exclusive of some females in order to meet the emotional needs of some males, there would be no need for any of this.

If Woman simply describes a body type there is no problem here. Genderism created the problem then slaps itself on the back for a half cut, shoddy solution.

And as a previous person pointed out, this new so-called inclusive phrasing is less clear, and therefore less inclusive of people who may have low literacy or a different first language, than the simple word Woman was before genderism made it meaningless.

Genderism really isn't inclusive, and those who think it is simply show how limited their social horizons are.

(FWIW I don't actually mind language changing, what I vehemently object to and will continue to call out is the deliberate and political un-naming, and thereby undefining, the group that used to be called women.).

Well, I have a uterus but, as a post-menopausal woman, I very much doubt a contraceptive is ‘for me’. Does that make me non-woman? 🤔

Blibbyblobby - oh I hear you! I can’t stand this redefining the word (yet some people will and do use it at will yet don’t get canned for it, hmmmmm)

[quote CMcA21]@KittenKong that’s when people have the choice of getting an abortion then isn’t it

@Bambooshoot didn’t say that they do, I was just breaking it down for someone who said they wanted to be educated on the matter

@SirVixofVixHall I’m not non-binary and neither is my partner. I’m a female and he’s a male. He doesn’t have a uterus and I do. But if I was non-binary I wouldn’t be a woman but I’d still have a uterus[/quote]
How do you know that your male partner not have a uterus? Is it because he doesn't identify as a woman, or is partial to self selected identity from A - Z to infinity? If he identified as a woman or non binary etc, could he have a uterus?

As it is about identity, like.

I suspect we all know he doesn't have a uterus and it is simply because he is not a woman. Men don't have uteri, ever, irrespective of how they identify.

Everyone knows this, irrespective of how 'they' waffle on about things.

Having seen something advertised at "bleeding babes" yesterday, this really doesn't seem bad...

If it means more people take it and don't put themselves at risk of unwanted pregnancies, then I think that's probably a good thing.

(Although if you refused to take a contraceptive that said it was for women because you didn't identify as a woman, I would think you were either a. putting your principles before your health, or b. had a poor understanding of biology and were incredibly naïve.)

(Although if you refused to take a contraceptive that said it was for women because you didn't identify as a woman, I would think you were either a. putting your principles before your health, or b. had a poor understanding of biology and were incredibly naïve.)

Its precisely because of many people having a poor understanding if biology that anything medical related should stick to using facts and be accessible in plain.english. it doesn't do anyone any good to pander to something that just isn't or can never be true.

[quote CMcA21]@KittenKong that’s when people have the choice of getting an abortion then isn’t it

@Bambooshoot didn’t say that they do, I was just breaking it down for someone who said they wanted to be educated on the matter

@SirVixofVixHall I’m not non-binary and neither is my partner. I’m a female and he’s a male. He doesn’t have a uterus and I do. But if I was non-binary I wouldn’t be a woman but I’d still have a uterus[/quote]
You are a woman, and as we are all non binary, then you are a non binary woman, it is a totally meaningless term.

@SirVixofVixHall you can’t be a non-binary woman. Non-binary means neither male or female.

@Cailleach1 no, as ive said previously not everyone who identifies as a woman has a uterus. And not everyone who has a uterus is a woman. We’re just going round in circles. You can be a woman even if not biologically born female. You might not agree but that’s on you

How can you not ne male or female though
Everyone has a sex.

Theybcan tell the sex of the embryos when people have ivf.

You can tell the sex via ultrasound in uterus from.about 18 weeks onwards.

Identity doesn't change that.

And woman/man denotes the species of which the.female/male is a member of.

How can you be neither ?

[quote CMcA21]@SirVixofVixHall you can’t be a non-binary woman. Non-binary means neither male or female.

@Cailleach1 no, as ive said previously not everyone who identifies as a woman has a uterus. And not everyone who has a uterus is a woman. We’re just going round in circles. You can be a woman even if not biologically born female. You might not agree but that’s on you[/quote]
You can be a woman even if not biologically born female. You might not agree but that’s on you

Only under the new, exclusive and regressive definition of Woman, the one disempowers the female half of the population by removing their name and their rights as a distinct group.

Under the original meaning of the word, all women were female. And because it was the name for that group of people, it's the name now attached to the rights and protections that they fought for as women, a female, single sex group.

In my opinion, suffering millennia of sexism under the name Woman (or its translations in earlier and other languages) should be enough to justify the right to keep our own name. Males who want a mixed-sex name for the gender identity they share with with some (but not all) female people should choose their own name, not demand our name and with it, our rights and protections as well.

You might not agree. You might think what male people want is more important than the right of female people to their own name.

That's on you.

[quote CMcA21]**@EdgeOfACoin* @SirVixofVixHall* hope you’re both ok x[/quote]
I'm okay, thanks, hun.

I'm just curious as to what your definition of 'woman' is - please could you enlighten me? I would like to be educated.

My definition of woman = adult human female (female denoting the sex class that produces large gametes, typically able to gestate and bear young etc).

Your definition of woman = ?

@EdgeOfACoin woman = female, man = male

Well I don't think this is very sensible.

They've covered transmen. They've clearly tried to cover non-trans women, and very decent of them too, given we are specks of invisible dirt. But if twaw ARE women then they're risking people of the male sex walking out of a pharmacy with a prescription for these tablets and goodness knows what happens to those people then. Or does twaw extend to it all being safe and ok somehow? If biology is a spectrum and all?

Non-binary people have definitely been excluded though and the twitter mob should tackle that

@Whatwouldscullydo

How can you not ne male or female though Everyone has a sex.

Theybcan tell the sex of the embryos when people have ivf.

You can tell the sex via ultrasound in uterus from.about 18 weeks onwards.

Identity doesn't change that.

And woman/man denotes the species of which the.female/male is a member of.

How can you be neither ?

Because sex is biological, gender is a social construct, HTH.

Yes women are female.

So it's sex not identity. It can't mean both