Crispin Blunt: The press are whipping up a moral panic over transgender pupils

[ANonnyMice]

www.conservativehome.com/platform/2021/08/crispin-blunt-and-sue-pascoe-the-press-are-whipping-up-a-moral-panic-over-transgender-pupils.html

Apparently:
“If any young person, including a transgender young person, is concerned about sharing a room with others, you could consider making alternative arrangements, including giving them their own room where appropriate. If any young person voices a concern, this should be considered – responses should be reasonable and proportionate, taking into account the rights of all young people. If showers are communal, find out if there are single-cubicle or private washing facilities which could be used by any young person, including a transgender young person, who would like greater privacy.”

Doesn't chime with what I hear - which is that transgirls are girls and so must be accommodated and anyone who objects is the one likely to be found other arrangement.

Yes. There is not the usual explain that they are transphobic and need re-education like others.

However,

Oops. Posted too soon.

It does seem that it is reasonable. But then I have not read the article in full.

I assume it is the one who complains that gets moved from your post.

He sounds a bit transphobic to me...

It is not clear whether the girls has to be moved out of the girls changing room or the boy in that piece. And why do the girls have to speak up and face potential social opprobium before their rights are considered?

Doesn't chime with what I hear - which is that transgirls are girls and so must be accommodated and anyone who objects is the one likely to be found other arrangement.

It does. It means the transphobe can ask to move and be othered. I wonder what happens when all the girls ask?

It's very slyly worded. If you know anything about Blunt you will know that he's not a fan of women's rights.

“If any young person, including a transgender young person, is concerned about sharing a room with others, you could consider making alternative arrangements, including giving them their own room where appropriate.

This relates to "people concerned about sharing a room with others", so the trans person would never be asked to use a third space, but if they prefer one they can have one.

Sounds like the sort of thing JKR might say. I expect we’ll be seeing signs saying “kill Crispin Blunt” any moment now.

Masses of false equivalence with section 28 and past treatment of LGB people.

Isn't pascoe a trans woman?

I think it is pretty clear that this guidance is suggesting the complainer gets moved. So I don’t think it is the panacea he would have suggest.

And no advice for those who due to religion, also a protected category, will now be the one excluded.

Never have I seen that addressed appropriately.

They are trying to claim that moral panic is being whipped up unnecessarily. However on this open forum many mumsnetters have shown and archived actual events and situations that show this is not the case e.g. the situation with the Brownies.

What the government needs to do is make it very very clear that the rights of a child who believes they are the opposite sex do not trump everyone elses rights. Sex based rights should be the first set of rights that are adhered to. If a transgender teenager is on a trip they can by all means have separate facilities but the starting point should be that facilities are single sex and neither sex should be forced to share with someone because they believe they are the opposite sex.

As usual there is ome interesting and incorrect terms/wording:

a different gender identity than they were assigned at birth
nobody is assigned anything at birth and not everyone has a gender identity. Sex is observed and cannot be changed.

gender identify
is not a protected charateristic, gender re-assignemnt is

Surprise surprise Sue Pascoe is a trans woman. Another man who has taken a womans position.

Is he the sneaky chap who tried to do back room, secret lobbying on legislation? Would take whatever he says with a grain of salt. I wouldn't personally associate him with honour an integrity, never mind honesty.

C. Blunt, that is.

In the case of a child, do they believe something or imagine something. Did my son believe at various times that he was a spiderman and a werewolf? Or did he imagine it?

So, anyone who raises any safeguarding issues at all is now 'whipping up a moral panic'?

I think 'panic' is another term like 'hysteria' loaded with gendered baggage. Women 'shriek' or 'panic' or 'spout'. We can't just 'raise concerns', the accusation is always thrown back at women's motivations or characters. We're 'bigots' or 'transphobes' or 'Karens'.

It doesn't work anymore. You can fling insults at women, impugn them and try to shift focus all you like. We see it.

Address the issues, stop trying to shift focus onto the people raising the issues.

It's typically distorting and dishonest. It could be interpreted as - if a transgender child is not comfortable with sharing with other young people of their birth sex, they should be offered a private room etc.
Somehow I don't think Crispin means that.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

It's very slyly worded. If you know anything about Blunt you will know that he's not a fan of women's rights.

The thing is - this isn’t true. Blunt is actually one of the few Conservative MPs who has stood up for abortion rights, while Baroness Nicholson who everyone loves on this issue has actively sought to curtail them. I am not commenting on the right or wrongness of his proposition, but we should be mindful that Gender Critical allies don’t always share feminist principles of bodily autonomy - which for me is a key part of why biological sex is so important - women have a reproductive burden that men do not and it is one which underpins discrimination.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

“If any young person, including a transgender young person, is concerned about sharing a room with others, you could consider making alternative arrangements, including giving them their own room where appropriate.

This relates to "people concerned about sharing a room with others", so the trans person would never be asked to use a third space, but if they prefer one they can have one.

And the other children might not complain, either because they are friends with the trans child or because they don't want to be called transphobic. Does it say anything about whether parents would be told about children of the opposite sex sharing rooms?

"Sue Pascoe is Area Chairman of the Conservative Women’s Organisation in North and East Yorkshire."

conservativewomen.uk/articles/about-sue/

I wonder what Sue's ex wife's side of the story is?

@Cailleach1

Is he the sneaky chap who tried to do back room, secret lobbying on legislation? Would take whatever he says with a grain of salt. I wouldn't personally associate him with honour an integrity, never mind honesty.

Yes, that's him -

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/crispin-blunt-mp-ordered-to-apologise-for-breach-of-parliamentary-rules-over-attempt-to-make-secret-deal-on-self-id/

What a snake. I wouldn't trust him for a second, he has an agenda here.

We don't have single cubicles and showers in schools, there isn't room or money. The issue isn't the one trans kid who wants to use the girls facilities (I've never seen it the other way) it's the girls who have to be in there with him.

Even if there were, that still doesn't make it right for schools to encourage social transition (a significant and delicate medical treatment) when no illness has been diagnosed,it hasn't been medically prescribed and parents aren't supportive- which is what we are asked to do.