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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Today in work, I told some colleagues . . .

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FindTheTruth · 17/08/2021 11:44

What have you said at work about women's rights? and what response did you get?

Spotted on twitter and thought the points made were good and the response from colleagues interesting.
twitter.com/IdollyDancing/status/1424865068546727936

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Whatwouldscullydo · 17/08/2021 11:58

I cant read the comments Confused

I'm not in twitter but I check in sometimes and read threads on some regular posters. But I can only see original tweets not replies it just comes up with the " sign up/switch to app" options

Abhannmor · 17/08/2021 11:59

Brilliant. Aidan Comerford never disappoints. A very dim bulb and misogynist.

Whatwouldscullydo · 17/08/2021 11:59

Very good points though. The tine for subtlety has passed. Tell it like.it is

MoreJammyDodgersPlease · 17/08/2021 12:06

@Whatwouldscullydo

I cant read the comments Confused

I'm not in twitter but I check in sometimes and read threads on some regular posters. But I can only see original tweets not replies it just comes up with the " sign up/switch to app" options

I'm getting that too... I've never had any desire to have my own twitter account.
CharlieParley · 17/08/2021 12:10

I'm having the same problem with Twitter not letting me click on anything. Never had that before.

334bu · 17/08/2021 12:17

Yes it first happened on my phone but just yesterday on tablet. Twitter doesn't seem to like visitors. Now I can only see profile pages.

FindTheTruth · 17/08/2021 12:28

Ah! ok, I'll paste it here :)

Idolly Dancing @IdollyDancing
Today in work, I told some male colleagues why #WomenWontWheesht:

I told them Scottish women have been redefined in law (but men have not);
that rape victims had to beg to be allowed the dignity of specifying the preferred sex of their FME, and were still accused of bigotry;

That women are blocked by politicians for requesting policies be based on #SexNotGender;
that carers are accused of transphobia for wanting their loved ones to receive single sex care;
that there are rapists in women's prisons right now, today, and assaults have already occurred;

That women's rights have been eroded, and that this will affect their wives, mothers, grannies, daughters;
that mixed sex facilities are known to be dangerous for women and children, but the danger has been ignored, discounted, and relabelled as "gender neutral";

That primogeniture (which benefits males) is unaffected, while women lose the very few concessions made to encourage equal representation and opportunities;
That female athletes have already lost their chance to compete, that schoolgirls are being forced to change with males,

That science shows male-bodied participants have a huge advantage in contact sport;
That if men stay silent now, they are complicit in the subjugation and abuse of women and girls;
That saying pregnant/menstruating etc "people" erodes the rights of vulnerable women;

That attacking #FGM campaigners for not being "inclusive" harms the most oppressed women and girls;
that wasting feminists' time (by pretending not to know the definition of "woman") means that sexism, misogyny and the patriarchy are allowed to proliferate;

Today in work, I told some male colleagues why #WomenWontWheesht.

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FindTheTruth · 17/08/2021 12:30

And the response:

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Idolly Dancing @IdollyDancing

Better than I expected, even if it was a little awkward for a moment. But the awkwardness was the dawning realisation for them as to exactly how much being female matters.

A wee explanation of their response - they were mortified that I used examples of my inability to access single sex rape services, my relative's need for female-led intimate care... but so be it. We are the women affected, and we will tell our stories.

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RedDogsBeg · 17/08/2021 13:06

@Whatwouldscullydo

I cant read the comments Confused

I'm not in twitter but I check in sometimes and read threads on some regular posters. But I can only see original tweets not replies it just comes up with the " sign up/switch to app" options

Same here and only seemed to start doing that this week.
FindTheTruth · 17/08/2021 13:20

sounds like Twitter has changed settings?!

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Keke94LND · 17/08/2021 13:26

Is anyone able to let me know what they are changing the definition to? I've tried looking online but couldn't find a clear answer.. not surprising they aren't touching the definition of man though, what a joke

Collidascope · 17/08/2021 13:40

It's a good thread. I've been having issues with twitter for the last week or so too. It keeps giving me the option of logging in or setting up a account when I try to click on stuff, and frankly I'm not that much of a masochist. Left-clicking on the link and opening in secret mode seems to solve it.

CharlieParley · 17/08/2021 13:41

@Keke94LND

Is anyone able to let me know what they are changing the definition to? I've tried looking online but couldn't find a clear answer.. not surprising they aren't touching the definition of man though, what a joke
According to the Scottish Government female is anyone using she/her pronouns or a name typically given to girls. No proof of either required for anyone claiming to be female under that definition to claim a seat on a public board allocated to female board members.
MoreJammyDodgersPlease · 17/08/2021 13:56

Twitter seems to have gone for a general revamp making everything harder to read (new font, higher contrast, etc) as well as the login requirement. As Collidascope says, there are ways round it but it's now just a pain to use (as well as to read).
But thanks for posting FindTheTruth, it sums up a lot of excellent points.

Mollyollydolly · 17/08/2021 14:05

Twitter been very odd this last week. I've noticed when I like a lot of GC tweets, the total likes goes down. It's proper sinister at times.

Diaryofamadwoman · 17/08/2021 14:37

Could be something to do with the ratios of late....

TurquoiseBaubles · 17/08/2021 15:54

If you open twitter in an incognito window on a browser you can read most of the comments. Not all, and it can be difficult to move from thread to thread.

What did Aiden Comerford say?

LastSummerHere · 17/08/2021 16:26

Great thread form iDolly. She is always so thoughtful in her responses. When she first started tweeting I actually thought she might be JKR incognito, she is just so eloquent and engaging.

ScribblingPixie · 17/08/2021 16:33

@Mollyollydolly

Twitter been very odd this last week. I've noticed when I like a lot of GC tweets, the total likes goes down. It's proper sinister at times.
That happens to me a lot too, Mollyollydolly. It registers my like so the number goes up, then it immediately goes back down.
Thelnebriati · 17/08/2021 16:38

Unrolled and archived; archive.is/ySwFI

ScreamingMeMe · 17/08/2021 22:55

I can just cancel or x out of any messages telling me I have to log in or create an account, then I can read replies fine. I'm on an android phone.

There's no way I'm signing up to twitter again. I admire all those who are still there, fighting our corner.

BobLemon · 17/08/2021 22:58

I recently mentioned women’s rights at work and got mansplained to. Seriously.

334bu · 17/08/2021 23:23

Thanks for posting info about incognito mode. Can see conversations now. However, a bit of a faff.

Waitwhat23 · 17/08/2021 23:34

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Waitwhat23 · 17/08/2021 23:41

I'll try again!
@Keke94LND

For Women Scotland have been challenging the redefinition of women through the Courts.

• The redefinition of "woman" includes persons who may self-identify as women, but who the Equality Act would characterise as male. It also excludes persons who would be characterised as female, ie. those women who identify as men

forwomen.scot/ (scroll down to the second item - 'Stop Scottish Government redefining the definition of woman')

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