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UK academic sues university after losing role in critical race theory row

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RoyalCorgi · 16/08/2021 18:36

Guardian story:

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/16/uk-academic-sues-university-losing-role-critical-race-theory-row-leeds-beckett

This is pertinent here for two reasons. One is that the academic who is suing Leeds Beckett is using the argument that "critical race theory" is a protected belief, using the Forstater case as a precedent:

"In June, finding that gender-critical views were a protected belief, the employment appeals tribunal said only views akin to nazism or totalitarianism were unworthy of protections for rights of freedom of expression and thought under the Equality Act."

The other is that critical race theorists tend to support the trans/queer theory agenda. In this particular case the academic in question was apparently sacked from her advisory role by Leeds Beckett University after her organisation tweeted to a black person first that he was a "house Negro" and then that he was a "coconut". Apparently these terms are part of standard discourse in critical race theory and so should be protected under the law.

And there was me thinking they were just terms of racist abuse...

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Jaysmith71 · 30/08/2021 15:43

The Romans never left. Just the Roman Army. Those of us with ancestry in the Seven Saxon Kingdoms are all part Romano-British, and teh Romano bit could include Levantine, North African or still more exotic.

Xenia · 30/08/2021 17:39

True and in fact even up by Hadrian's Wall in NE England where I am from (which is 98% white) there is some evidence in some people of the Africans who worked with the Romans on that wall.

I am still not sure I know what CRT is but I am just an occasional interloper in these discussions, not a serious student of this stuff.
Wiki says" Academic critics of CRT argue that it relies on social constructionism, elevates storytelling over evidence and reason, rejects the concepts of truth and merit, and opposes liberalism"

Okay this bit puts me off it on lots of levels:-

"Common themes that are characteristic of critical race theory, as documented by scholars such as Richard Delgado and Jean Stefancic, include:

Critique of liberalism: Critical race theory scholars question foundational liberal concepts such as Enlightenment rationalism, legal equality, and Constitutional neutrality, and challenge the incrementalist approach of traditional civil-rights discourse.[25] They favor a race-conscious approach to social transformation, critiquing liberal ideas such as affirmative action, color blindness, role modeling, or the merit principle[41] with an approach that relies more on political organizing, in contrast to liberalism's reliance on rights-based remedies.
Storytelling, counter-storytelling, and "naming one's own reality": The use of narrative (storytelling) to illuminate and explore lived experiences of racial oppression.[42] Bryan Brayboy has emphasized the epistemic importance of storytelling in Indigenous-American communities as superseding that of theory, and has proposed a Tribal Critical Race Theory (TribCrit).[43]
Revisionist interpretations of American civil rights law and progress: Criticism of civil-rights scholarship and anti-discrimination law, such as Brown v. Board of Education. Derrick Bell, one of CRT's founders, argues that civil-rights advances for black people coincided with the self-interest of white elitists. Likewise, Mary L. Dudziak performed extensive archival research in the U.S. Department of State and Department of Justice and concluded that U.S. government support for civil-rights legislation "was motivated in part by the concern that racial discrimination harmed the United States' foreign relations".[44]
Intersectional theory: The examination of race, sex, class, national origin, and sexual orientation, and how their combination (i.e., their intersections) plays out in various settings, e.g., how the needs of a Latina female are different from those of a black male and whose needs are the ones promoted.[45]
Standpoint epistemology: The view that a member of a minority has an authority and ability to speak about racism that members of other racial groups do not have, and that this can expose the racial neutrality of law as false.[1]
Essentialism vs. anti-essentialism: Delgado and Stefancic write, "Scholars who write about these issues are concerned with the appropriate unit for analysis: Is the black community one, or many, communities? Do middle- and working-class African-Americans have different interests and needs? Do all oppressed peoples have something in common?" This is a look at the ways that oppressed groups may share in their oppression but also have different needs and values that need to be looked at differently. It is a question of how groups can be essentialized or are unable to be essentialized.[46]
Structural determinism: Exploration of how "the structure of legal thought or culture influences its content", whereby a particular mode of thought or widely shared practice determines significant social outcomes, usually occurring without conscious knowledge. As such, theorists posit that our system cannot redress certain kinds of wrongs.[47]
Empathetic fallacy: Believing that one can change a narrative by offering an alternative narrative in hopes that the listener's empathy will quickly and reliably take over. Empathy is not enough to change racism as most people are not exposed to many people different from themselves and people mostly seek out information about their own culture and group.[48]
Non-white cultural nationalism/separatism: The exploration of more radical views that argue for separation and reparations as a form of foreign aid (including black nationalism)"

If we are moving away from things like equal rights for all and facts and truth and equality then no way do I support CRT.

nauticant · 30/08/2021 17:45

When it's presented in plain terms rather than impenetrable pseudo-academic speak that is supposed to encourage people to nod along while not understanding what they're agreeing to, CRT looks horrible. It looks backward-looking and, in a surprising number of ways, racist.

Jaysmith71 · 30/08/2021 17:51

When your list of oppression's manifestations in your case extends to a less extensive range of suitable hair-care products, the phrase 'First World Problem' comes to mind.

And as a left-handed person in a right-handed world, I can only say, Tell me about it.

(Did you even know that scissors are right-handed? Dexterist!)

highame · 31/08/2021 08:05

What happens to CRT when boredom sets in? Liberal democracy has been developing since the 18th century. The shifts have been gradual with the occasional bump to move things forward (women's suffrage). CRT appears to take a leap because it is trying to eliminate that curiosity which causes us to investigate and which has given us progress. CRT by arguing for the elimination of facts and science would mean, in a world where competition and dominance is the difference between your population succeeding or starving (this will be a much bigger argument with climate changes) could put the population at risk. It is the duty of governments to protect citizens, where does this lead? Does it mean the US steps back and becomes actively instrumental in its own demise and would its citizens accept that as a consequence. Is this an hypocrisy - doing battle with China for first among equals whilst at the same time destroying the very things that China and others value most and will take with open arms - science, fact.

On an aside - are our Academics looking for an easy way out of educating. Far better to story tell and ignore truth than to ask for research to back up assertions. The twilight zone is upon us TWAW

Xenia · 31/08/2021 12:43

I heard a good radio 4 programme a while back which said there was a battle between the "woke" left (cancel culture) and liberal left - of the 2 I favour the liberal left and am against censorship (even of people peddling lies within reason as I was that freedom for people to advocate for CRT and everything on left and right).

TabbyStar · 31/08/2021 14:04

When your list of oppression's manifestations in your case extends to a less extensive range of suitable hair-care products, the phrase 'First World Problem' comes to mind.

This is arguably an advantage, as research suggests that people are more likely to make a purchase with less choice!

https://medium.com/@FlorentGeerts/the-jam-experiment-how-choice-overloads-makes-consumers-buy-less-d610f8c37b9b

There are definitely issues around ethnicity and hair though, I was going to say particularly for women and girls, but boys have problems too in terms of length of cut.

Jaysmith71 · 31/08/2021 14:41

There are very real issues in schools and elsewhere about black hair, such as at Pimlico where there was an uprising against the new rules.
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Fact remains that in a market economy, a fractional minority is not going to get equal provision of specialist products compared to the eaiser to serve majority. Quite what manner of modified Marxism 'to each according to their needs' you have in mind to remedy this is anyone's guess.

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