Parents in Scotland, USA, Ireland, Australia, Canada taking ACTION to stop teaching their children to choose a gender identity

[FindTheTruth]

A solution focused thread for parents in Scotland, USA, Ireland, Australia, Canada to help each other.

WHAT TO DO

A) Help by sharing actions that have been successful.

B) Help by sharing a LETTER or summary of the problem to communicate effectively with authorities, policy makers and politicians. Include questions requiring a response. Share responses and comebacks.
LETTER FORMAT: I’m concerned that X, Do you intend Y?

C) Help by pointing to groups and resources in each country.

Related threads:
Children as young as 4 allowed to choose gender identity

To think that the vast majority of people do not feel they have a gender identity?

Teacher-quits-school-publicly

Is there any such thing as gender identity?

Example letter to a school in Scotland

1. I’m concerned about the guidance which saysit ‘would be helpful’ to communicate with parents, not ‘must communicate with parents’. And encourages the children to ‘socially transition without telling parents and to keep secrets. Keeping secrets goes against safeguarding. Will the school immediately share information with me as the parent/ child’s legal guardian as a matter of policy? And NOT encourage children to keep secrets?

1. I’m concerned about the guidance anti-science dogma written by believers in ‘queer theory’ which preaches that ‘sex is spectrum’ and that ‘gender identity’ replaces sex. I’m concerned that schools will teach children to identify with labels, stereotypes, superficiality and masculine and feminine ‘performances’, encouraging them to choose an identity on a pathway to medicalisation. Whereas DfE guidance says “Materials which suggest that non-conformity to gender stereotypes should be seen as synonymous with having a different gender identity should not be used and you should not work with external agencies or organisations that produce such material”. WILL THE SCHOOL TEACH CHILDREN THAT THEIR NON-CONFORMITY MEANS THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT GENDER IDENTITY?

1. I’m concerned that the guidance telling schools to teach queer theory based gender identity and put them on a pathway to social transition and medicalisation. DOES THE SCHOOL INTEND TO TEACH QUEER THEORY? To teach and encourage children to socially transition’?

1. I’m concerned that the guidance tells school to teach and then AFFIRM gender identity stereotypes. DOES THE SCHOOL INTEND TO TEACH AND THEN AFFIRM GENDER IDENTITY STEREOTYPES?

1. Does the school intend to force girls to use mixed-sex toilets and changing rooms?

1. I’m concerned about the teaching materials which show stereotypes and teach children to identify with stereotypes. This is the opposite of Rachael Rooney’s book ‘My body is me’ which encourages children to love themselves and dress, play however they want. Does the school intend to teach children stereotypes and TEACH CHILDREN TO CHOOSE A STEREOTYPE THAT THEY ‘IDENTIFY’ WITH?

1. I’m concerned that queer theory activists are targeting schools to get consultants, therapists, teaching assistants and materials into schools to teach queer theory gender identity. Does the school intend to expose children to people who believe in queer theory? and What contact has the school had with queer theory activists?

1. I’m concerned that guidance is a path for society to fear and hate. [from WinglessSonglessBird post] The labelling of people leads to society seeing people as ONLY their labels, which leads to individuals placing their entire worth and identity into these labels, which leads to division, hate, fear, etc. Will the school be teaching labels? and teach children to label themselves?

1. I’m concerned that developing children’s brains being taught dogma, can rewire their brains, constrict them, restrict them as human beings and damage them for life. Does the school commit to being neutral? And not teach dogma?

10. I’m concerned that queer theory teaches victimhood. [building on from WinglessSonglessBird post] So kids grow up being pathologized, told they are victims and cut down into labels, more and more as they get older. Depressed, feeling like they are born flawed. So the best thing is to identify with that label completely. And anyone against said label is an attack on you. You are the label, nothing more. If it is a "bad" label, well too bad, you are a worthless human. Does the school intend to teach queer theory victimhood?

11. I’m concerned that queer theory activists teach suicide, teach labels and not accepting labels leads to suicide. Figures show this isn’t true and it goes against the Samaritans guidelines around suicide. Does the school intend to teach about gender identity suicide?

12. I’m concerned about de-humanising language which removes sex-based words like mother, woman, girl and replaces them with body parts like ‘cervix-havers, menstrurators, birthing people and chest feeders. Does the school intend to teach and impose gender neutral dehumanising language?

13. I’m concerned that queer theory philosophy based proselytising that gender non-conforming children must label themselves and see the world as attacking them. Does the school intend to proselytise queer theory philosophy?

14. I’m concerned that the guidance implies teachers shouldn’t share concerns with the safeguarding lead, which is common queer theory activist guidance as seen in the ‘Sonia Appleby safeguarding lead vs GIDS high court case’. Will the school tell teachers not to share concerns with the safeguarding lead?

15. I’m concerned that the guidance says teach ‘gender assigned at birth’ No one assigns a gender at birth - nor does anyone assign a sex at birth. Sex is observed. In some cases a baby might have ambiguous genitalia and have a DSD but they still have a sex. Does the school intend to use the term ‘assigned at birth’ in policy or teaching?

16. I’m concerned that the guidance says teach ‘CIS’ which is a deeply offensive term to many people. Does the school intend to use the term ‘CIS’ in policy or teaching?

I am in England OP. BUT I think this is a brilliant post and hugely helpful, not least at outlining the issues in one place. Thank you.

Highly useful.

A couple of further things to note :

• Where has the advice to encourage and support children in keeping secrets from parents come from? Is it from representatives of a political agenda such as Stonewall, which is increasingly being named as 'controversial' and 'extreme' in the national press and aims to achieve a specific political agenda rather than the impartial best interests of children?

• What qualifications have those advisors in child development, education and safeguarding to be in a position to prescribe this guidance?

• Who has checked the compatibility of this advice with educational policy, the EqA2010, DfE guidance and safeguarding standards? Obviously will be important to ensure that safeguarding advice comes from a responsible and qualified agency without political involvement with the group prescribing this advice.

• What liability would a school have under duty of care for failing to do the above before presenting one sided, politically partisan and highly contentious information to young children via their position of trust?

politicofire.com/2021/08/12/iranian-christian-dad-tells-school-board-if-they-pass-trans-pronoun-rule-hell-make-them-call-his-kids-king-and-queen-and-him-master/

”I grew up in Iran as a Christian. And when we went to school, as much as the government wanted to indoctrinate us, the teachers didn’t allow it,” he said. “They didn’t try to shove propaganda down our throats like the Ayatollahs did.”

“Now in the 21st century, we have social justice warrior so-called teachers trying to shove their garbage ideology down our kids’ throats,” he continued.

Good man. Iranian teachers had the courage to stand up to genuinely dangerous religious extremists. Modern western teachers bow down before gender extremists who have no real power. Shame on them.

C) resources - Flawed data

Transgender guidance for schools ‘based on flawed data’ www.thetimes.co.uk/article/transgender-guidance-for-schools-based-on-flawed-data-rp8scscll

B) problem summary

Schools should guard against these warning signs, not make them policy

Emotional separation from carers
Keeping secrets
Making them feel special
Undue influence
Psychologically changing a child's sense of self

www.rainn.org/news/grooming-know-warning-signs

I wonder where they got these ideas from? 🤔

This is nothing to do with "choosing stereotypes", but the GC grift depends on spreading falsehoods.

B) ARTICLES on books in schools and very bad 'data' used by policy makers

TIMES: Ditch the gender books for four-year-olds, say women’s group
re Scottish government-approved book list promoting gender ideology

TIMES: Transgender guidance for schools ‘based on flawed data’

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2021.08.16-170615/www.thetimes.co.uk/article/alex-massie-bad-data-can-never-form-the-basis-of-good-policy-p08pwr6h9#selection-745.13-745.61" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">TIMES: Bad data can never form the basis of good policy

B) BRIEFING DOCUMENT

Sex stereotypes and the development of Gender Identity Disorder in children
by Dr Katie Alcock, Chartered Psychologist, Senior Lecturer in Psychology at Lancaster University

@PumpkinSpiceWoman

This is nothing to do with "choosing stereotypes", but the GC grift depends on spreading falsehoods.

It is. Watch any four-year-old explaining how they 'knew' they were a girl or a boy and it invariably comes down to toys and clothing. Invariably.

Prove me wrong. Show me an article or a case of a four-year-old not referring to toys and clothing to explain how they 'knew' they were of the opposite sex. Go ahead. I've never found one.

I should clarify that the 'it is' in my previous post should say 'it is about choosing stereotypes'. I don't think the GC position spreads falsehoods.

But I might reconsider if you can show me a case of a little child talking about gender identity without reference to toys or clothes.

Edge. Dr Katie Alcock's psychological research evidence show's you're right. "Children identify other children solely on the basis of the other children’s dress and toy preferences". and "Following this early identification of ones own sex, children come to realise that they cannot change sex. Prior to this, they think that even though they are a girl, they can grow up to be a man, have a beard and inseminate a woman (e.g. put a seed in a Mummy’s tummy); boys think they can grow up to be a woman, have breasts and be pregnant and breastfeed. Children believe that changing appearance, accessories and toys leads an individual to change sex, immediately."

B) ARTICLE

Young children, reality, sex and gender
by Dr Katie Alcock, Senior Lecturer in Psychology, Lancaster University

Following this early identification of ones own sex, children come to realise that they cannot change sex. Prior to this, they think that even though they are a girl, they can grow up to be a man, have a beard and inseminate a woman

Except adults are now trying to stop them realising this. For a number of children set on this cross-sex identification path by their insane parents, they're trying to keep this lie going.

Presumably this will all get explained properly to a child in time so they can give informed consent to the puberty blockers.

Right? Right?

But how much psychological distress is going to be caused when they eventually realise they won't really be the opposite sex? That their parents have been lying to them?

I remember two instances of lies about sex encountered during my childhood. No identity issues of my own, but they still haunt me just from finding those in authority lying.

First was a sex education book which talked at some point threw in that the man and woman had to be married.

This freaked me out for quite a while, as I couldn't figure out what marriage had to do with anything, and I was getting worried that there was some weird physical ritual involved in a marriage that no-one was telling me about. The book didn't explain why the marriage was necessary. I don't remember how that confusion got resolved, but I remember the confusion from the insane category error.

The second was reading about a "sex change" operation. This also threw me because it really didn't fit with what I knew about human medical technology. I didn't think we could do anything that fundamental to a human - if we could do that, why was everything else so primitive? I was left wondering if there was some (clownfish-style, I now know) mechanism latent in the human body that could be triggered in some way. I later found out they were just talking about cosmetic surgery, and I was so cross.

And this is just me in the 70s/80s, encountering fairly mild falsehoods. God knows what it must be like to be encountering this wall of total insanity, and actually having some personal issues in the area to work through!

@thinkingaboutLangCleg @KittenKong it's incredible that teachers in Iran protect children from Ayatollahs proselytising beliefs despite the fact the country is a Theocracy not a Democracy. Anyone forcing beliefs onto people, Ayatollahs or AllSorts, don't belong in schools

This is nothing to do with "choosing stereotypes", but the GC grift depends on spreading falsehoods.

PumpkinSpicewoman drops in to make a false accusation, as usual. And then ignore all the evidence given by other posters, that the GC view is simple observation of facts.

it's incredible that teachers in Iran protect children from Ayatollahs proselytising beliefs despite the fact the country is a Theocracy not a Democracy. Anyone forcing beliefs onto people, Ayatollahs or AllSorts, don't belong in schools

I was going to say it’s ironic that the same westerners who condemn Iran for its mediaeval theocracy are those who demand that we obediently chant their own anti-science mantras. But on thinking about it, you don’t hear much criticism of theocracies from what’s called the Left now.

@FindTheTruth is there a reason why you missed out England and Wales in your title? Schools there are going down the same route as in Scotland, and in Wales things are particularly bad with the Labour government and their plans for the RSE curriculum.

There's also a story in today's Times about a Welsh school.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4329343--School-rushed-to-help-our-boy-become-a-girl

Crone I suppose I reeled off the countires where my perception (rightly or wrongly) is of a government itself attacking women's rights. You're right though this could easily be a long list of places.

I reeled off the countires where my perception (rightly or wrongly) is of a government itself attacking women's rights.

Wales should definitely be on the list then.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4324416-Welsh-Government-Transgender-people-are-people-who-are-born-as-one-sex-but-are-the-other-sex

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4309364-Welsh-Government-commits-to-end-women-s-sex-based-rights

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4309066-Wales-going-LGB-woke

Yes you're right Crone. will ask MN to add Wales

@thinkingaboutLangCleg

it's incredible that teachers in Iran protect children from Ayatollahs proselytising beliefs despite the fact the country is a Theocracy not a Democracy. Anyone forcing beliefs onto people, Ayatollahs or AllSorts, don't belong in schools

I was going to say it’s ironic that the same westerners who condemn Iran for its mediaeval theocracy are those who demand that we obediently chant their own anti-science mantras. But on thinking about it, you don’t hear much criticism of theocracies from what’s called the Left now.

Yes, agree, it’s always struck me as very ironic too. Shutting people down just because what they say doesn’t conform with an ideology.

Rhonda, Wales

So the school in Rhonda bought in a charity and charity advocate, Against DfE guidance which says “Materials which suggest that non-conformity to gender stereotypes should be seen as synonymous with having a different gender identity should not be used and you should not work with external agencies or organisations that produce such material”.

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2021.08.21-231136/www.thetimes.co.uk/article/school-rushed-to-help-our-boy-become-a-girl-vvs2qjcw8" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">TIMES ARTICLE quote

^"It was suggested at the second meeting that the boy meet an advocate from a charity to talk about his feelings. “We were told that would be someone neutral, who would give him a voice,” said his father.
But when the parents read notes from the meeting with the advocate and were told by their son what had been said, they were horrified. According to a legal letter seen by this newspaper, the boy told his parents that the advocate had said that it was his “human right to be called whatever he wants” and that if his name was not changed on the school register “arse would be kicked big time”. The advocate is also alleged to have told the child that he should try wearing girls’ clothes.^"