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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Parents in Scotland, USA, Ireland, Australia, Canada taking ACTION to stop teaching their children to choose a gender identity

54 replies

FindTheTruth · 15/08/2021 09:44

A solution focused thread for parents in Scotland, USA, Ireland, Australia, Canada to help each other.

WHAT TO DO

A) Help by sharing actions that have been successful.

B) Help by sharing a LETTER or summary of the problem to communicate effectively with authorities, policy makers and politicians. Include questions requiring a response. Share responses and comebacks.
LETTER FORMAT: I’m concerned that X, Do you intend Y?

C) Help by pointing to groups and resources in each country.

Related threads:
Children as young as 4 allowed to choose gender identity

To think that the vast majority of people do not feel they have a gender identity?

Teacher-quits-school-publicly

Is there any such thing as gender identity?

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FindTheTruth · 23/08/2021 10:14

C) Resources

UK - Scotland, England, Wales
Advice on social transitioning of trans-identified children
safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2021/08/22/advice-for-parents-on-social-transitioning-by-schools/

Rhondda Cynon Taff County Borough Council in Wales has become the latest council to withdraw its ‘trans toolkit‘ after a school used it to socially transition a child in their care without his parents’ knowledge.

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FindTheTruth · 23/08/2021 10:22

C) Resources

"Boys and Girls and the Equality Act," a joint publication by TransgenderTrend and Sex Matters
www.transgendertrend.com/product/boys-and-girls-and-the-equality-act-guidance-for-schools-england-wales/

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FindTheTruth · 03/12/2021 06:54

Parent files federal law suit
"at least 12 Florida school districts that “have the same exact guidance, same wording, everything, on their website today.”
tallahasseereports.com/2021/12/02/tallahassee-mom-gender-ideology-almost-destroyed-my-family/

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DoubleTweenQueen · 03/12/2021 07:08

@FindTheTruth Fully on board, as a parent in England, currently effecting change in my school for my DD, after a scary realisation of what is being allowed to drift into our schools fairly unchecked.

I would also add Genspect, Transgender Trend, Children & Women First - as useful websites and groups.
The ROGD webinar on Genspect website really interesting (and scary):
genspect.org/conferences/

Lovelyricepudding · 03/12/2021 07:54

Whereas DfE guidance says....

Just need to pick up on the in your letter OP. DfE guidance does not apply to Scotland as education is devolved so the DfE has no role here. Unfortunately the Scottish Government and civil service are not just captured, they are fawning acolytes.

rogdmum · 03/12/2021 08:04

In Scotland, ScotGov (in a letter to me) are using the EHRC Technical Guidance to schools as justification for telling schools to immediately affirm once a child says they identify as the opposite sex. The guidance has two sections underlying this:

3.35 A previously female pupil has started to live as a boy and has adopted a male name. Does the school have to use this name and refer to the pupil as a boy?
Not using the pupil’s chosen name merely because the pupil has changed gender would be direct gender reassignment discrimination. Not referring to this pupil as a boy would also result in direct gender reassignment discrimination.

And

5.112 Gender reassignment is a personal process (rather than a medical process) that involves a person moving away from his or her birth sex to his or her preferred gender and thus expressing that gender in a way that differs from, or is inconsistent with, the physical sex with which he or she was born.
5.113 This personal process may include undergoing medical procedures or, as is more likely for school pupils, it may simply include choosing to dress in a different way as part of the personal process of change.

5.114 A person will be protected because of gender reassignment once:
• he or she makes his or her intention known to someone, regardless of who this is (whether it is someone at school or at home, or someone such as a doctor);
• he or she has proposed to undergo gender reassignment, even if he or she takes no further steps or decides to stop later on;
• there is manifestation of an intention to undergo gender reassignment, even if he or she has not reached an irrevocable decision;
• he or she starts or continues to dress, behave or live (full- time or part-time) according to the gender with which he or she identifies as a person;
• he or she undergoes treatment related to gender reassignment, such as surgery or hormone therapy; or
• he or she has received gender recognition under the Gender Recognition Act 2004.
It does not matter which of these applies to a person for him or her to be protected because of the characteristic of gender reassignment.

Link to English guidance here:

www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/publication-download/technical-guidance-schools-england

Link to Scottish Guidance here (same text just slightly different bullet number)

www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/publication-download/technical-guidance-schools-scotland

If you are writing to schools, LAs, politicians etc, please write to the EHRC as well because until the technical guidance is clarified, this will be the fallback position.

FrancescaContini · 03/12/2021 08:09

This is a great post. I’m in England but would certainly be doing these things if in Scotland etc. Fantastic resources.

FindTheTruth · 03/12/2021 08:18

@DoubleTweenQueen such a good resource for parents those conferences and some interesting points e.g. "if I were over celebrated, I'd feel boxed into a corner".

@Lovelyricepudding you're right re DfE not applying in Scotland 😫I wonder if any Scottish parents have managed to challenge despite this...

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OldCrone · 03/12/2021 08:20

he or she starts or continues to dress, behave or live (full- time or part-time) according to the gender with which he or she identifies as a person;

I don't suppose they explain how someone lives according to a gender. Because I don't think there's any way to do that without invoking a lot of sexist stereotypes.

FindTheTruth · 03/12/2021 08:24

If you are writing to schools, LAs, politicians etc, please write to the EHRC as well

great post @rogdmum - this explains the guidance they follow once an adolescent identifies. I'm curious have any parents in Scotland managed to tackle the issue of teaching queer theory in the first place?

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highame · 03/12/2021 08:25

An excellent read and reminder of how important it will be, over the next few years for parents to become aware of what has been going on under the radar. Also an excellent reminder of the massive influence of Queer Theory, which is largely unchallenged despite the underlying needs of its creator - not equality but the reduction of safeguarding

Thanks Op

FindTheTruth · 03/12/2021 08:53

some tips from the Lioness mother in the ROGD webinar She challenged clinicians and the surgeon. She included a copy of Abigail Shriers book with her letter to the surgeon and wrote to the private hospital, putting them on notice that her daughter was seriously mentally unwell and hoped they had procedures to ensure patients can give consent. The surgeon then called the daughter and said he would not do the surgery. Then she engaged a new psychiatrist who diagnosed AHDH and Autism.

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Cailin66 · 03/12/2021 09:04

[quote KittenKong]politicofire.com/2021/08/12/iranian-christian-dad-tells-school-board-if-they-pass-trans-pronoun-rule-hell-make-them-call-his-kids-king-and-queen-and-him-master/[/quote]
That's brilliant. Ironically it's exactly what I've decided I will do if my work forces me into pronouns. So I will be

addressed as: Your majesty
with pronouns: zie/zeld

because it's how I identify

the more outlandish the better. This nonsense has to stop.

HereticFanjo · 03/12/2021 09:12

Amazing post, well done all.

DoubleTweenQueen · 03/12/2021 11:06

@rogdmum I find this all quite outrageous.

How does someone start living as the opposite gender? Unless you're a boy and you become pregnant/set yourself up as a wetnurse. The terminology used seems to be outdated.
Protected characteristic of gender reassignment is an end point - usually after a careful period of transition. It should not be used for children 'self-id-ing', but should be an outcome based on stringent psychological diagnosis - which is where my outrage at the 'Ban on Conversion Therapy' truly rubbish thoughtlessness comes in.
Children first and foremost should be afforded safeguarding under the established protected characteristic of sex. That should be the fundamental basis of approach by schools. They have zero right to over-ride parental rights and scientific clinical evidence.
Outrageous such crap is being followed by any body of power.

DoubleTweenQueen · 03/12/2021 11:07

I've never shown any signs of militancy before, but I've found my thing :D

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 03/12/2021 11:35

Thank you, very helpful indeed.

DoubleTweenQueen · 03/12/2021 14:17

Just came across this guy: twitter.com/BillboardChris

FrancescaContini · 03/12/2021 20:52

[quote DoubleTweenQueen]Just came across this guy: twitter.com/BillboardChris[/quote]
Thanks for linking to this.

stargirl1701 · 03/12/2021 21:05

State schools in Scotland are all run by Local Authorities (except one: Jordanhill). Schools have little control over what is taught. They follow the guidance and use resources provided from their LA and ScotGov. Writing letters to schools will not change anything; they have no power to alter the guidance. They have every incentive to follow the guidance; HMIe and LA Learning & Achievement visits.

If you are writing in Scotland, write to the Education Committee of your Local Authority. Speak to your local councillor. Write to the Head of Education. Go to where the power lies.

Schools in Scotland are not run like schools in England. There are no Parent Governors, no OFSTED, no academies, no league tables, etc. Most children attend their catchment school.

ForeverFaithless · 03/12/2021 22:37

FindTheTruth this is an excellent resource, don't know how I missed it previously. At least we only had one plopper show up to annoy us Hmm

Cailin66 emails about self ID and adding pronouns have been circulated at work but I have not noticed one single person with them. I'm just about ready to hand in my resignation though coz there's too many other things that annoy my head with them.

I have a boy who has just started in an all male Catholic ethos secondary. It seems a safer bet than Educate Together schools, which we're not in the catchment for anyway. I was really annoyed to see info for t3ni and belongto at the back of his homework journal, so I'll still have to keep an eye on them. Although I'm sure I'm already flagged as potential trouble coz I sent a letter to get him exempt from religion.
Younger boy has a fab no nonsense male teacher. He has come back with some interesting sound bites from him - "I've never met anyone as religious as Mr. Principal" (I'll agree with that, he has a candle to the school patron saint burning in his office all the time). "I have no time for all that trans bs" or something similar. I like this guy a lot!

So I suspect my battles will be at work and secondary. I'll need these resources. Thanks.

FindTheTruth · 04/12/2021 07:21

If you are writing in Scotland, write to the Education Committee of your Local Authority. Speak to your local councillor. Write to the Head of Education. Go to where the power lies.

Schools have little control over what is taught. They follow the guidance and use resources provided from their LA and ScotGov.

Thank you @stargirl1701 💐

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FindTheTruth · 04/12/2021 09:15

Scottish teacher training
A transcript of a school’s transgender training webinar by LGBT Youth Scotland Officer
forwomen.scot/13/12/2020/george-watsons-college-staff-transgender-training/#more-2931

  • it unquestionably affirms gender identity ideology and students were on the call
  • The officer said ”when we talk about identity, that’s our internal perception of our gender. When we talk about expression, obviously, there we’re talking about our physical features, how we dress, potentially our voice. You know, how we accessorise, how we wear our hair, makeup,”
  • The officer said unsupportive parents statistically affect how young people feel about their life satisfaction, their self esteem, their mental health, their happiness, attempted suicide, suffered from depression, based on their survey.
  • Tips for teachers dealing with ‘unsupportive parents’ were:
- explain your duties under the Equality Act, and policy as practitioners (the gov policy is written by trans activists - see below) - it can be helpful for a teacher to say that, you know, we have a welfare responsibility as a school to provide a safe space -it is also your duty to hold the pupil at the centre of what’s going on and ensure that they feel supported

Scottish guidance
LGBT Youth Scotland 2017 Supporting Transgender Young People: guidance for schools in Scotland was heavily criticised for its failure to consider the specific rights and needs of girls and the negative impact on girls. LGBT YS said it is used by the Scottish Government to hold practitioners to account.

2019 - 2020
The Scottish Government said it would write its own guidance in 2019 to hold teachers to account but Freedom of Information Requests by For Women Scotland show it was written in full or part by: LGBT Youth Scotland,Stonewall Scotland,Equality Network,Scottish Trans Alliance. And this was confirmed In the training webinar above LGBT Youth Scotland officer said ”We have a Supporting Transgender Young People in Schools guidance,….that particular guide is soon to be Scottish Government guidance, which is really exciting“

Scottish Parliament
A meeting at the Scottish Parliament where David Bell, Consultant Psychiatrist, spoke. A copy of his speech “First Do No Harm”

Student video
LGBT Youth Scotland recommended students watch Trans 101 by Minus 18, on YouTube, seven minute video

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FindTheTruth · 04/12/2021 09:17

Tips for teachers dealing with ‘unsupportive parents’. screenshot from the training webinar linked above

Parents in Scotland, USA, Ireland, Australia, Canada taking ACTION to stop teaching their children to choose a gender identity
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ForeverFaithless · 04/12/2021 23:42

Adding this here too, submission deadline is soon:

thecountess.ie/equality-legislation-review-template-letter/